Do young people have a negative impact on the community?

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I was reading through the accomplishment thread where i put my absurdly fast 2x2 single. I expected some hate but then i realized nobody cares about 2x2. Then @Mr. Rubric posted his insane 3x3 single, and everybody (including myself) was very skeptical. I feel if someone around 16 or 17 were to get this it would be questioned to a lesser extent. It would still be questioned, but less. This combined with the repeated jokes about kids at comps brings me back do my question. Are we youngins really that bad? Please be honest here.

Im also writing this in the back of the car on my way to a comp so just ignore the potrntial spelling errors.
 
I used to be a really annoying kid and when I look back I'm embarrassed at how awkward I used to be. I've never heard anyone say, "Yeah, I really like who I was when I was 13." Self-awareness is really good though; the fact that you're even asking this question means you're probably a pretty cool kid.

Generally I'd say no, young kids aren't bad, but they'll definitely improve as a person as they get older. Live and learn. :)

(As far as questioning younger cubers goes, I think any new cuber would be questioned regardless of age if they posted some really good times.)
 
I agree with DG. We all were annoying once and at my first few comps and at 2018 nats, I felt like I was annoying and awkward around other cubers, especially while competing. Hell, I’ll admit it, I was the kid screaming that you got the 2.5 average when it was 2.7, haha (sorry mate) Weird times it was, the old days.

We can all change and it’s good to be self aware of yourself and reflect. Young cubers aren’t bad, it just depends on the context. Now if you scream “NICE RUBRIC” everywhere or annoy cubers while they are solving, than meh, you might be annoying to most.

Just enjoy the experience and worry later. Respect others and you should be fine.
 
Then @Mr. Rubric posted his insane 3x3 single, and everybody (including myself) was very skeptical. I feel if someone around 16 or 17 were to get this it would be questioned to a lesser extent. It would still be questioned, but less.
Mr. Rubric's single was absolutely, 100% made-up. The fact that the scramble was posted before on this forum is extremely strong evidence in that direction, and that's not the only piece of evidence I have either. (I'm not mentioning what other evidence I have; I'm not going to help cheaters cheat. For the record, the fact that it was a sub-3 single was irrelevant to me.) This is not a good example to use if you wanted to ask whether younger members of the community are (unfairly) subjected to more scrutiny.

Also, counterpoint: see https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/threads/the-reconstruction-thread.29123/post-1303035 and the replies to that post.

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Anyhow, I don't think kids are especially bad. Just as some young kids have terrible attitudes, there are adults (and older kids) with terrible attitudes too (and boy are there a lot (like myself, hurhur)).
 
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I guess I’m considered young. (13) And I try my best to be able to not be a complete pain to others. I’m the most experienced at my school (15s average on 3x3) and people expect me to teach them and whatnot. It’s really annoying, but I would say that everyone starts off young, and if you treat them like trash, then they will treat others like trash.
 
Well, i cant say i expected this thread to blow up as much as it did.

Well im just going to reply in order

Thanks dg :). I always try to be self aware of the kind of person i am, and generally keep quiet at comps, as to not be a nuisance. Also, are you going to penn cube day spring? Just curious.

To weatherman, pretty funny that you mentioned that comp kid experience. I totally agree with you on the point that it depends on the context. Correct me if im wrong, but we all say nice rubric, its just when you say it during a solve that its annoying come on get a sub 5

To xyzzy, i only used his exaple because i personally know him. I hate telling friends that they are wrong but sorry mr rubric, i have to agree with xyzzy.

For matt, i do agree that cubing experience plays a part in maturity at comps. I tend to get decent singles at comps, and i often see little kids being obnoxious about them.

As a general point, i was just at northeast champs, and i realize its mostly youngger kids (9-10). I was judging today and i right before a runner was going to set the cube cover, some kids asked to try my 354. The runner took note of this (they were an adult) and told them to go to their stations.

Thanks for the support,
Shaun
 
I'm 43 and I can be pretty annoying. I don't think age is the relevant factor here. Some kids are annoying, some adults are annoying. In general I think the cubing community is awesome and friendly and I can't wait to go to my first comp and finally have proof that all of these YouTube videos aren't sped up...
 
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I'm 43 and I can be pretty annoying. I don't age is the relevant factor here. Some kids are annoying, some adults are annoying. In general I think the cubing community is awesome and friendly and I can't wait to go to my first comp and finally have proof that all of these YouTube videos aren't sped up...
The trick is to move very slowly in the parts of the video where you aren't solving, then it looks natural.
 
"Are youngins really that bad?"

Short answer: No, but sometimes yes.

Many of us got started in cubing when we would be considered 'youngins' and as such we need to take annoyances, fake claims, and exaggerated accomplishments with a grain of salt. I would be skeptical if anyone honestly said 'when I was 13 I never exaggerated.' The first thing I think is important is that 'youngins' are very important for the growth and continuation of our community as a whole. We are much less likely to have someone older start speedcubing than someone young, and the attrition rate for someone younger is much much higher.

If we set aside the 'growth of the community' aspect, what's the value of younger cubers? Young people in general, but especially young cubers have a open mind when it comes to the cube. Things we pass off as silly questions like "Why don't I just solve corners with cross so all my F2L cases are the same" are questions asked by people who aren't stuck in their CFOP/Roux/InsertCommonMethodHere ways. These types of questions provide three interesting benefits, first it allows younger cubers to learn and understand why we follow the methods we do, second it allows older cubers to question their methods and either reaffirm or update, and thirdly it has a (very) small chance of actually shaking the foundation of how we solve cubes today. As humans we don't just naturally do the best thing, in fact we've been shown to do the same decent thing constantly until we finally figure out something better. Younger cubers having a fresh perspective and asking silly questions allows for fantastic opportunity that would otherwise be missed.

So it seems that young cubers are important to promote and can provide significant value to the community, but what about the downsides? Immaturity is the downside most often cited by older members of the community. Their ability to self-regulate their opinions, their feelings, and their personality is very limited, which is a factor of growing up. Some of these growing pains include things like exaggerating personal achievements, faking solves for glory/internet points, and calling other people out/annoying people in ways that aren't considered polite. As much as these things are annoying and it would be great to prevent it, I think it's something that can't really be helped. Every time someone new joins the community, we are adding one more player to the competitive spirit that drives a lot of us to cube. It would be unreasonable to assume people won't crave the attention or good feelings of being victorious when they are in a competitive environment. People (generally younger) who haven't yet decided that there's more to life that others thinking you're cool are more likely to exaggerate, crave attention, and be annoying.

These traits come into more questioning when at an official competition. There are people there of all ages with different goals, different hopes, and different skill levels. A younger cuber might heckle someone faster than them, or try to talk to them over their shoulder during an official solve, or even just shadow them all day. These actions are widely frowned upon by the community (and in some cases spelled out in the rules), but they may just not know better. Education on how competitors should act during competition is something that comes with time, as is having the understanding of how to present yourself and when to keep quiet. We can compound this with 'younger' cubers still going through various stages of mental development, where you start feeling socially awkward, haven't figured out how you conduct yourself in public, or naturally don't know how to make friends.

To discuss the point that younger cubers are questioned more aggressively than older ones I think answers itself. When dealing with someone inexperienced (even if they claim not to be), or even just dealing with someone you assume to be more inexperienced (many fantastic young solvers), your natural instinct is to question, be skeptical and more willing to assume falsity. When someone like Max Park posts a 3.xx solve, we don't question much. When someone who averages 10.xx posts a 3.xx solve, we question a little more, when someone who averages 30 seconds posts a 3.xx solve, we question a lot. This works for factors other than averages too. If someone is new to cubing (regardless of age) we question more, if someone is solving cross on top we question more, if there's any decent reason to doubt the legitimacy of something, we question more. Being young is one of these 'decent reasons to doubt legitimacy' for better or worse.

To end, 'youngins' aren't bad for the community, but there are times, places, and situations where they cause consternation, issue, or argument that would otherwise be avoided.

Chris
 
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