Did you learn to cube from Dan Brown(pogobat)?

[JTW2007]

I didn't feel like reading your post, but I got through the first 2 or so lines. I want to say that I don't think Mr. Waffle was being a drama queen. Also, pogobat did NOT turn lots of people to speedcubing. People that were already interested FOUND him, and then learnt a crap method which put them on the back foot from the start. So I think we are justified in blaming pogobat for all the trouble he's caused our community.

You say that ignoring the 47% of the community that DID learn from Pogobat. Do the maths. Nearly half of the people who read this thread and voted in the poll started, learned or got help via his videos. Sure, he made a mistake with the Vaseline, but he also presented the Beginners method in an incredibly easy to understand format. Badmephisto may have better tutorials but I think Dan's tutorials are perfectly good to be at nthe top of the list when searching. There is no problem with the method he teaches, and I have taught it to other people. Layer-by-layer is how the brain works, and just because it doesn't have on of the smoothest transfers to CFOP doesn't mean you should knock it.

No?

If a person is active in the community they will have seen the thread. I maybe should have been more concise.

And if a person has seen the thread and not voted? I can think of several active members who have shown no sign of being involved with this thread (and I don't think any of them learned from Dan Brown).

 

[Muesli]

I didn't feel like reading your post, but I got through the first 2 or so lines. I want to say that I don't think Mr. Waffle was being a drama queen. Also, pogobat did NOT turn lots of people to speedcubing. People that were already interested FOUND him, and then learnt a crap method which put them on the back foot from the start. So I think we are justified in blaming pogobat for all the trouble he's caused our community.

You say that ignoring the 47% of the community that DID learn from Pogobat. Do the maths. Nearly half of the people who read this thread and voted in the poll started, learned or got help via his videos. Sure, he made a mistake with the Vaseline, but he also presented the Beginners method in an incredibly easy to understand format. Badmephisto may have better tutorials but I think Dan's tutorials are perfectly good to be at nthe top of the list when searching. There is no problem with the method he teaches, and I have taught it to other people. Layer-by-layer is how the brain works, and just because it doesn't have on of the smoothest transfers to CFOP doesn't mean you should knock it.

No?

If a person is active in the community they will have seen the thread. I maybe should have been more concise.

And if a person has seen the thread and not voted? I can think of several active members who have shown no sign of being involved with this thread (and I don't think any of them learned from Dan Brown).

OK then.

Half of the people who are active in the community and have seen the thread and decided to vote learned from Pogobat. No matter how you swing it, that's still 77 people.

 

[V-te]

I didn't feel like reading your post, but I got through the first 2 or so lines. I want to say that I don't think Mr. Waffle was being a drama queen. Also, pogobat did NOT turn lots of people to speedcubing. People that were already interested FOUND him, and then learnt a crap method which put them on the back foot from the start. So I think we are justified in blaming pogobat for all the trouble he's caused our community.

You say that ignoring the 47% of the community that DID learn from Pogobat. Do the maths. Nearly half of the people who read this thread and voted in the poll started, learned or got help via his videos. Sure, he made a mistake with the Vaseline, but he also presented the Beginners method in an incredibly easy to understand format. Badmephisto may have better tutorials but I think Dan's tutorials are perfectly good to be at nthe top of the list when searching. There is no problem with the method he teaches, and I have taught it to other people. Layer-by-layer is how the brain works, and just because it doesn't have on of the smoothest transfers to CFOP doesn't mean you should knock it.

No?

If a person is active in the community they will have seen the thread. I maybe should have been more concise.

And if a person has seen the thread and not voted? I can think of several active members who have shown no sign of being involved with this thread (and I don't think any of them learned from Dan Brown).

OK then.

Half of the people who are active in the community and have seen the thread and decided to vote learned from Pogobat. No matter how you swing it, that's still 77 people.

Ok... I have a question... does it matter who learned from where? The main point is that we know how to solve the cube and are trying to get faster, hence the name Speedsolving.com. Look forward guys, not to the past.

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

I can think of several active members who have shown no sign of being involved with this thread (and I don't think any of them learned from Dan Brown).

And what do you base that on? What you THINK?

There are many, many amazing cubers who learned from Dan. Feliks is pretty much the fastest cuber on the planet (in terms of consistency) and his first method was Dan's method. For all you know, Eric, Yu, Rama, all learned from DAN brown. Your FIRST method is completely irrelevant, because you basically drop it with a matter of months, if not weeks, anyway.

EDIT: And like it's been said, about half of us learned from Dan's method, and we're all here today, speedcubing, so what's the fuss about?

 

[PatrickJameson]

EDIT: And like it's been said, about half of us learned from Dan's method, and we're all here today, speedcubing, so what's the fuss about?

The fuss is not about the amount of people that have joined because of him, it's the type of people. It's the type of community that has grown around those people. It's what we have to deal with every day on this forum. These people don't like figuring out things for themselves. These people would rather sit and wait to be spoon feed every little thing. These people don't learn from their mistakes, but do everything in their power to get people to tell them their mistakes and exactly how to fix them, then have the nerve to complain if that doesn't happen.

I started to speedcube because I enjoyed the satisfaction that came with figuring even the littlest things out myself, not just getting faster at all costs, which is apparently what these cubers want. When I get asked where someone should learn how to cube, I usually link them to this: http://peter.stillhq.com/jasmine/rubikscubesolution.html (Which MAY be where I first learned how to cube, but I'm not entirely sure). What I often hear from these type of people is confusion when they get to the 'Orienting the LL Corners' step, because during this step it challenges you to think a little bit and try to choose which combination of algorithms can solve certain cases best.

So what does this mean? Am I discriminating on those who simply can't figure these types of things out themselves? Am I simply wanting a slightly more intelligent community? Well, yes.

Now of course out of this has come many great cubers, a lot of which are not like those described above. This, of course, comes with many factors which may have changed their course. If Dan Brown's tutorial did not exist, as goes for all other youtube tutorials, would these people be able to learn how to cube? It could be thought of as a sort of roadblock on the path to learning how to solve the cube, deterring the weak away, but keeping the dedicated.

If you don't think about that, the next question would be, was it worth it? Does having to deal with these types of people outweigh the great that has come out of this, or the other way around?

Now I'm sure there are a few people who aren't going to bother reading this all the way through, and just pick apart one section, so I'll just leave it at this. And yes, I am going against my first post edit slightly, but I thought it'd be nice if I stepped in and wrote this.

 

[Edward]

Why does this HAVE to turn into an argument. It was a simple yes/no question. You guys turned it into the pros and cons of new people.

 

[JTW2007]

I'd say something else, but Patrick pretty much summed it all up.

 

[Dionz]

yes to bad he uses i's instead of ''s(?)

 

[Imperatrix]

Yes but only for the last layer (I did F2L for the most part)

Now I am trying to memorize full OLL.

 

[Radcuber]

LEAVE DAN BROWN ALONE D: *Completely going against thread maker saying to NOT say is he's good or not* He's an awesome teacher for beginners, I learnt from him then switched to beginner Fridrich soon after

 

[waffle=ijm]

LEAVE THIS THREAD ALONE! THIS IS EFFING OLD D:<

 

[Grenjabob]

Sadly. Yes, I've completely threw away his method for Fridrich now thank god.

 

[Cubenovice]

NO

I learned from Jasmine Lee's tutorial, still think it is a vey good one.
Like Patrick said; it makes you think a little.

 

[irontwig]

I learnt from Marshall Philipp, Niklas and Sledgehammer is all you need.

 

[Rinfiyks]

This. I already knew beginner LBL first two layers thankfully - this method has awful F2L. But awesome LL

 

[Mewrius]

I used the instructions that came with the cube >___>

 

[Cubing321]

I learned from RobH0095 or something like that

 

[AvidCuber]

I used the instructions that came with the cube. which is basically Dan Brown's method. I didn't start speedcubing until ~2 years later though.

 

[S@LT!]

no, a friend taught me. (now im better than him)

 

[angelu1125]

yeah i learnt from dan but I skipped tonnes of steps cos' I figured out most of them.