Derren Brown Cheating Too! :(

[Stefan]

Meh, it was obvious I was referring to what had been posted to bump the thread.

I don't think anything was "posted to bump the thread". There was a *new* thread that got merged into an old one. Maybe that caused misunderstandings?

 

[Kirjava]

Meh, it was obvious I was referring to what had been posted to bump the thread.

You used the word "anyone".

 

[immortalchaos29]

So your answer is "no". You don't have an example.

Piano girl, the one where he plays 12 chess grandmasters simultaneously, the one where he predicts the outcomes of the derby races, the one where he makes a guy believe he is in the middle of a zombie apocalypse. These are some of the ones I can think of off the top of my head even though it's been a while. Would you like me to keep going??

 

[BillyRain]

The man has an infinite amount of spare time

I think you'd find that he is an incredibly busy man.

Source: Worked with him.

 

[Stefan]

Piano girl, the one where he plays 12 chess grandmasters simultaneously, the one where he predicts the outcomes of the derby races, the one where he makes a guy believe he is in the middle of a zombie apocalypse. These are some of the ones I can think of off the top of my head even though it's been a while. Would you like me to keep going??

Piano girl I'm not convinced that's the real explanation, same as with previous tricks. The horse races one is the first I believe, though that one was obvious and more importantly, necessary (because if he hadn't explained it, some of the thousands of people would have, and it would have been embarrassing for him). I still doubt he really reveals the majority (or any, unless necessary) of his tricks like you say, I believe he just offers fake explanations for the gullible. Like here. But I'll check some more when I have time (I do like watching his shows anyway).

Edit: Ok I watched the chess one as well (had watched it before but couldn't remember much):
1) He does reveal that he made them play against each other. Again, this was obvious (though I might be biased since I've known this trick for many years) and more importantly, necessary (as the players certainly would've talked about it and would've found out and it would've been embarrassing for him had he not made it public himself).
2) I don't believe his explanation for the ninth player.
3) He does *not* reveal the in my opinion actual trick, how he got the numbers.

 

[immortalchaos29]

Piano girl I'm not convinced that's the real explanation, same as with previous tricks. The horse races one is the first I believe, though that one was obvious and more importantly, necessary (because if he hadn't explained it, some of the thousands of people would have, and it would have been embarrassing for him). I still doubt he really reveals the majority (or any, unless necessary) of his tricks like you say, I believe he just offers fake explanations for the gullible. Like here. But I'll check some more when I have time (I do like watching his shows anyway).

Edit: Ok I watched the chess one as well (had watched it before but couldn't remember much):
1) He does reveal that he made them play against each other. Again, this was obvious (though I might be biased since I've known this trick for many years) and more importantly, necessary (as the players certainly would've talked about it and would've found out and it would've been embarrassing for him had he not made it public himself).
2) I don't believe his explanation for the ninth player.
3) He does *not* reveal the in my opinion actual trick, how he got the numbers.

Yes I would agree with this analysis. I don't believe his explanation for the ninth player either for even a second. Seems way too difficult to pull off. Also since he could have stretched the truth on that he very well could have done likewise for the others as well.

Do you have any idea how he could have done piano girl and similar hypnosis tricks if it wasn't how he said? The obvious thought is that it was staged but seems to me like that would be lame enough that if it leaked, he would be taking a huge risk for his reputation.

Still my original comment was meant to try to provide some insight into his personality as a performer. I still believe he wouldn't deny that his Rubik's cube trick was anything but a trick. But I could be wrong; sounds like you've seen a lot more of his stuff than I have.

 

[DanielH]

I know I am bumbing and old thread but I think we can agree on that Derren Brown not is a remarkable good bld solver now.

His show Infamous was on TV a couple of days ago. In the show he does the "bld solve" with a 3x3 (not the 4x4 as mentioned in the thread) but after watching it I think his method works on 4x4 and all other sizes to.

He has two scrambled cubes he hands out to the audience and let them scramble. He tells the person who is closet to the stage to put them on the stage when they come back. And when he picks them up both cubes have (magic?) the same scramble.

Derren picks up the two by audience scrambled cubes. The one to the left has the orange face showing a "block" of three orange and one read sticker, and one white corner and a green edge (and two blue stickers in the dark). The one to the right you can see the white center (with a logo) and two white edge stickers and two green corners and one green edge. He are looking at them and puts them back on the table.
He does his other stuff (remember books and calculating big numbers) and then with one minute left he turns to the cubes again. Says that he can't solve two cubes behind his back in one minute so he will only do one of them. Picks one of them up and says "not this one" and takes the other one.

Her is he holding the cube he are "solving" behind is back. We can clearly see the same pattern of the white face and also see the same "block" of orange and red stickers.
Behind his back he is probably not doing any turns at all.
He finish of by showing all six sides of both cubes.


The scramble and the cube seams to be ok, Cube Explorer generated this F U' F' L F D' F' R' D' R' U F R' D' R' U L' R D R U'. (Do with Yellow on top and Red in front) Also the cubes have different scrambles when they are handed out to the audience so if this is correct.

No actors or stooges were used in the making of this programme and there has been no prior preparation with any members of the audience.

I think Derren Browns audience is the worst cube scrambler ever.

 

[Hypocrism]

I know I am bumbing and old thread but I think we can agree on that Derren Brown not is a remarkable good bld solver now.

His show Infamous was on TV a couple of days ago. In the show he does the "bld solve" with a 3x3 (not the 4x4 as mentioned in the thread) but after watching it I think his method works on 4x4 and all other sizes to.

He has two scrambled cubes he hands out to the audience and let them scramble. He tells the person who is closet to the stage to put them on the stage when they come back. And when he picks them up both cubes have (magic?) the same scramble.
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Derren picks up the two by audience scrambled cubes. The one to the left has the orange face showing a "block" of three orange and one read sticker, and one white corner and a green edge (and two blue stickers in the dark). The one to the right you can see the white center (with a logo) and two white edge stickers and two green corners and one green edge. He are looking at them and puts them back on the table.
He does his other stuff (remember books and calculating big numbers) and then with one minute left he turns to the cubes again. Says that he can't solve two cubes behind his back in one minute so he will only do one of them. Picks one of them up and says "not this one" and takes the other one.
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Her is he holding the cube he are "solving" behind is back. We can clearly see the same pattern of the white face and also see the same "block" of orange and red stickers.
Behind his back he is probably not doing any turns at all.
He finish of by showing all six sides of both cubes.
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The scramble and the cube seams to be ok, Cube Explorer generated this F U' F' L F D' F' R' D' R' U F R' D' R' U L' R D R U'. (Do with Yellow on top and Red in front) Also the cubes have different scrambles when they are handed out to the audience so if this is correct.
I think Derren Browns audience is the worst cube scrambler ever.

Honestly I've always thought that he uses stooges and setups to make people think that he's tricking them in a more elaborate way than he actually, which in turn helps him make the main point which is that you shouldn't believe that supernatural things are supernatural (IE: he's promoting active skepticism).

That said, a lot of his stunts are difficult to pull off, even with stooges. It's still very impressive and entertaining in the end.

 

[Harrychink]

Wj

So my friend informs me that on his latest tour, Derren is doing fake BLD.

Apparently he is letting the audience scramble a 4x4, and then he is matching a solved cube to the same scramble whilst blindfolded in approximately one minute.

I know that misdirection and trickery is his confessed way of working, but this is just adding to the list of people misinforming the public about genuine blind solving.

Get ready for the "Yeah well Derren Brown can do that in under a minute, you suck" comments after public attempts...

Sad times for cubing really.. too much cheating going on at the moment.

What is he doing? I dont understand

 

[CubeLite]

Wj

What is he doing? I dont understand

I think you might haven't read the forums rules yet
But you can't bump old thread by years if you don't add value, like if the thread is over a year old and you don't add anything, like how the story ended, you found something or anything, then don't post anything, if you are confused at to what happened, then just read the thread

 

[Harrychink]

I think you might haven't read the forums rules yet
But you can't bump old thread by years if you don't add value, like if the thread is over a year old and you don't add anything, like how the story ended, you found something or anything, then don't post anything, if you are confused at to what happened, then just read the thread

I tried just reading but I still couldn't understand

 

[UKCubeFan]

I would never miss Derren Brown on TV. He did one where he predicted the result of the lottery before it was drawn, he did a chess trick with simul games got people to do robberies with subliminal messages. One where he fired a gun at his head doing Russian roulette, predicting the result of a roulette wheel spin (the ball landed in the spot next to the one he predicted).
Great guy yeah this is a bit of a thread bump.
Everything he does is tricks, you just have to work out how he did it.

 

[abunickabhi]

Wj

What is he doing? I dont understand

Please do not bump old threads