DaYan 4x4x4 Spring Structure Master Cube

[Stefan]

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no. go look at the other blog post

"no" to ... all of that?

Can we get a rule against excessive quoting?

Yeah. It's really pissing me off.

 

[DeathCuberK]

the core seems spherical as a crazy 4x4x4 type 1= good performance
pieces= same as rubiks 4x4x4 (or at least almost), i don't know if this affects performance
tuning and adjustment: first core hemisphere= 4 screw. second core hemisphere= 4 screw how the heck do you tune the tension

there are 27 springs in total in this cube. one for each 4x4 center piece and 3 springs for the 2x2.

I don't see any way that there could be any springs in the centers.

I don't think there are 27 springs, more like three. I believe that the inner 2x2 has three springs just like any other 2x2. I also believe that if you were to unscrew one of the eight screws visible in the picture, you would be removing a shell covering the 2x2 part. Doing to would allow the tensions to be adjustable.
The center pieces with caps are just like standard 4x4 centers. Nothing special about them, other than the fact that they have caps. But that means nothing.

 

[daniel0731ex]

the core seems spherical as a crazy 4x4x4 type 1= good performance
pieces= same as rubiks 4x4x4 (or at least almost), i don't know if this affects performance
tuning and adjustment: first core hemisphere= 4 screw. second core hemisphere= 4 screw how the heck do you tune the tension

there are 27 springs in total in this cube. one for each 4x4 center piece and 3 springs for the 2x2.

I don't see any way that there could be any springs in the centers.

I don't think there are 27 springs, more like three. I believe that the inner 2x2 has three springs just like any other 2x2. I also believe that if you were to unscrew one of the eight screws visible in the picture, you would be removing a shell covering the 2x2 part. Doing to would allow the tensions to be adjustable.
The center pieces with caps are just like standard 4x4 centers. Nothing special about them, other than the fact that they have caps. But that means nothing.

If the center pieces have individual springs it will improve the handling of the outer layer.

 

[Tortin]

I didn't get to be a tester...I wanted a free cube.

 

[theace]

how do you apply for a tester?

 

[TK 421]

hmmm, if the centers have spring it would have more screw to keep the spring in place, then where would the (4 centers x 6 sides) 24 screw on to the spherical ball core? hidden center blocks? (wait wouldn't that make the core have hidden layer =D)

 

[Lin@rt]

Speculation. Wait and see.

 

[Tim Major]

2x2 (Core) inside the 4x4?

At first I thought it was just a normal mech, but this is amazing...

Since Maru 4x4s are now unavailable on Lightake, and never will be, if they get these, then I would probably get one over the Maru. That corner cutting looks impressive.

I still use a mini QJ, though; I feel like such a noob.

Btw, in the next few months, I am (most likely) opening an Australian cube store, and I have a supplier for the Maru 4x4

Looks like a cool cube, I wouldn't buy it yet until some more opinions come out about the cube.

 

[TK 421]

v cube company have a crappy and completely unreasonable patent. they should let better 4x4 in production other than shutting MARU down and making stupid V-Cube 4's

 

[Lin@rt]

Talking about V-Cubes patents is pointless (here). This thread is about a new 4x4 cube.

 

[TK 421]

Talking about V-Cubes patents is pointless (here). This thread is about a new 4x4 cube.

ha ha, yeah, but personally i really don't like v-cube company using their patent like this (i wonder if we all of speedsolving member sues v-cube, it would be better if one of us is a very trusted lawyer)

hmmm, i still don't know to to tune the tension

ps. this is my first post with "Originally posted by..." (dunno if it's error )

 

[deadalnix]

go give v-cubes the money to produce it and I'm sure they would.

I'm sorry but you are totally missing the point. I do not care if verdes have the money to release his cube. Do you care if I have the money to buy them anyway ?

If verdes were selling V4, we can conclude that Maru 444 causes prejudice to verdes (because they sell less V4). But in the current situation, Verdes isn't selling anything. So do not get any prejudice from maru. This is damn stupid.

On another point of view, we can argue that verdes have the money to get the patent. This is damn expansive !

The current situation is just locking up everything and nobody gets any benefit of it, not even verdes.

IMHO, if verdes do not sell V4 isn't a problem of funding the production. This is a problem of structure alignement mecanism (this really the crappy part of V cube - and not covered by the patent ). If the V4 have a misalignement prevention mecanism comparable to V6's, nobody will even consider to buy it (it just don't fit the level of quality setted by QJ, Meffert or Maru).

Back to the Dayan 4x4x4 : so it's not released yet ?

 

[freshcuber]

I've only been cubing a few months but from what I've gathered V-cube is just using their patent to shut down new and improved 4x4s because it violates their patent. Holding a patent just to have it is like licking a cookie just because you don't want someone else to have it. It makes nobody happy and just makes you look like a dick. V-Cube is dominant In big cubes so I'd be willing to bet they have enough money to produce a 4x4 and why they aren't probably has a fair few of us scratching our heads.

 

[Lin@rt]

Useless discussion about Verdes patents and so. This is about a different cube. Why to insist in the same pointless/nowhere about Verdes? Get over, once and for all, of the the V-Cubes mechanism effect.

 

[deadalnix]

Useless discussion about Verdes patents and so. This is about a different cube. Why to insist in the same pointless/nowhere about Verdes? Get over, once and for all, of the the V-Cubes mechanism effect.

Actually, nobody is answering questions about the dayan 4x4x4 cube. So, sadly, the only remaining part of this topic that is alive is this stupid patent stuff.

 

[oval30]

somebody should change the title of this to V-Cube patent discussion in order to not get fooled

 

[dabmasta]

Can somebody explain to me what a hidden layer is?

 

[theace]

Is this thing the same as that X Cube thing? Is it there on lightake?

 

[deadalnix]

Can somebody explain to me what a hidden layer is?

On even sized cube, theyre is no fixed piece. Everythings can move around.

This can be achived by basically 2 ways : getting a structure similar to n+1 sized cube (like maru 4x4x4 have a 5x5x5 structure, V6 have a 7x7x7 structure, eastsheen 2x2x2 have a 3x3x3 structure) but with one hidden layer (some piece overlap over the central layer, making it hidden), or using a specialized structure (like rubik 4x4x4 ans 2x2x2).

 

[oprah62]

My friend is in ASia currently and he said he will try to get his hands on one or two.