Cubing Titles?

Do you think having titles for cubing is a good idea?


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notfeliks

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As chess is a not-so-uncommon secondary hobby of cubers, I am sure that this idea has been thought up before, but a brief search on the site shows no evidence of that so I believe that this topic is worthy of a thread.

This idea came to me because I am a chess player first and foremost. In chess, once you reach a certain threshold of skill, certain titles such as Grandmaster and International Master are awarded to commemorate your effort and are generally held for the remainder of your life.

I will not go into the detail about how these titles are obtained in chess, but the basic idea is once you reach a certain rating* and, in the cases of the more prestigious titles, norms*, you are awarded them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_rating_system *
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_%28chess%29 *
(note: some of the information is inaccurate such as number of norms required but the idea is there.)

These titles are great because they provide a strong incentive for players to improve and gives them a permanent (and cool-sounding!) commemoration of their achievement when they do. With this in mind, it has to be wondered: how could this possibly be a bad thing in cubing?

Besides the obvious ones like World Champion or World Record holder in whatever, cubing has nothing like this at all besides perhaps "being sub-x". Why not attach some sort of title to this to recognise the elite cubers and give those who aren't in the elite something to work towards?

As the rating system and norms seems somewhat uncomfortable to work with for cubing, something else should be devised. Perhaps for the lesser titles, it could be required of a cuber to achieve a certain level of excellence in just one field, for instance x amount of official sub-y averages in 3x3. For the higher titles, they might be required to branch out and excel in other events of their choice, such as OH or Pyraminx.

I am very curious to see how you all react to this and improve on it. I believe that, with some work, it could be a great thing to implement.

Thanks!
 
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Nice Idea!

The difference between chess and cubing is, that in chess, if there would be no ELO points, you would only measure your skills in victorys and defeats. In cubing you have times, which is the best indicator of skill for this topic.
The titles in chess lead off from the ELO points, which totally makes sense. So the only way it would make sense to implement titles would be to replace e.q. Sub-10 with Grandmaster.

And I don't know if replacing Sub-xx with titles is worth the work to implement.

But nevertheless it would be nice to do something like this.
 
I think that there should be unofficial titles, but not official ones, ie displayed on the WCA site.
Otherwise feliks would be known as 2x2-7x7 grandmaster and also blind master. That would be quite a mouthful.
 
Its hard to say really, mainly because there are so many events...
Maybe it could be based on percentages - being in the top 5% or 1% for an event gets you a title...
I think doing it on an event by event basis is better than doing it in a wider sense, because many people do not focus on every event, and we already have sum of ranks for that purpose.
 
Thanks for the feedback everyone.

I think that there should be unofficial titles, but not official ones, ie displayed on the WCA site.
Otherwise feliks would be known as 2x2-7x7 grandmaster and also blind master. That would be quite a mouthful.

I think you are mistaken. Titles shouldn't be awarded for each individual event, that would indeed be quite a mouthful - instead just one.


Interesting discussions. Thanks for sharing.
 
I think a similar idea could be implemented on the forum.
Below our names and avatars, we could have a line stating our favourite event and how fast we are at that event. We can then edit this ourselves if we become faster/change our event.
It would be a good way to know how you stack up against the cubers on Speedsolving, and who can give you advice on how to become faster at the specific event you enjoy the most.

This would be better than a ranking in my opinion, as it could be something for every member, if not then Premium members.
 
I think a similar idea could be implemented on the forum.
Below our names and avatars, we could have a line stating our favourite event and how fast we are at that event. We can then edit this ourselves if we become faster/change our event.
It would be a good way to know how you stack up against the cubers on Speedsolving, and who can give you advice on how to become faster at the specific event you enjoy the most.

This would be better than a ranking in my opinion, as it could be something for every member, if not then Premium members.

You pretty much just described signatures.
 
You pretty much just described signatures.

But not everyone chooses to include these in their sigs because they take up space.
It would encourage people more to do it if it didn't use the limited and precious characters that we have for our sigs.
 
Just an idea (PLEASE IMPROVE ON THIS)

|The Sub XX Section|
Can Cube: Cuber
Sub 1-min: Beginner
Sub-50: Apprentice
sub-45: Novice
sub 40: Intermediate
sub-30: Normal
sub-25: Mage
sub-20: Baron
sub-17: Duke
sub-15: Gallefreyan
sub-12: Lord
sub 11: King
sub-10: Angel/Kalos
sub-8: God
sub-7: SuperMind
sub-6: Grandmaster

|Other (Suffix/Prefix)|
Join a comp: x/x
Win an event: |/|
Memorise PLL: {/}
Memorise OLL: =_|/|_=
Full CFOP: |xX/Xx|
Compete (and win) in a World Comp: {|-/-|}
Compete all events: (_-_{/}_-_)

So here it is, but I have only done 3x3. Sorry! Please do others, because I only solve 3x3 and 2x2.

Example of someone called John who is sub 45 and won World Comp:

{|-Novice John-|}

Get it? The {|- is the suffix/prefix, which means he won the world comp, and 'Novice' means that he is sub-45.
 
This will be hard because unlike chess ratings staying around the same, cubing is constantly changing. Five years ago there were 11 people in the world with sub 10 3x3 averages, now theres 180. The MBLD WR was 16. Now it's 41 and about to be closer to 48-50. We would have to change the titles constantly because of inflation.
 
It'll be better if we ignore the method you use to solve the cube.

I think it would be better to just say:
CFOP - Sub-X

This could be under your name. I think if we try and tackle other puzzles, it will be too big a job.

I know I'm completely contradicting my previous post, but I've changed my mind after seeing this.

And maybe we could scrap the Join Date and replace it with Started Cubing? I started May 2013, but only made this profile in 2014.
 
I think it would be better to just say:
CFOP - Sub-X

This could be under your name. I think if we try and tackle other puzzles, it will be too big a job.

I know I'm completely contradicting my previous post, but I've changed my mind after seeing this.

And maybe we could scrap the Join Date and replace it with Started Cubing? I started May 2013, but only made this profile in 2014.

In competetions, They don't time you based on what method you use
So it'll be better if we ignore the method you use to solve.
 
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