Blindsolving Failure Thread

I'm also a bit into card memorizing. I just mapped each of my 48 images to one card and created 4 new images for the rest - i tried to use categories to make learning the connection between playing card and image easier (hearts are living objects for example). My PB is 1:5x and i haven't made a single mistake since i started memorizing cards (up to now that's about 20 attempts) :).
I've considered learning 576 images for the cube, but i would never learn a two card system for card memorizing. That's just not worth the effort. Sub-1 should be easy with just one image per card.

btw. I believe Ben Pridmore also uses PVO, so he has more like 51 * 52 * 3 = 7956 "images".
 
I think most of you guys use PVO / PO systems for MBLD, am I right? There you have a strict order of the person doing something to someone.

I do not do that. I use a clustering system in which I place many objects in each location (2-4) and let them interact. I never seem to forget the order as my brain sees the images either on top of eachother, sideways or by size.

For me it's a mixture of both worlds. It really depends on the images. Sometimes i combine them to a small story, sometimes i just use my prememorized actions.
 
I think most of you guys use PVO / PO systems for MBLD, am I right? There you have a strict order of the person doing something to someone.
I've often been tempted to do this, but I never have. It seems like it would be potentially better.

I use a clustering system in which I place many objects in each location (2-4) and let them interact. I never seem to forget the order as my brain sees the images either on top of eachother, sideways or by size. In that way I have something happening in each location to remember the images. A cube for me can mean 2-max 5 locations on my route.
I've always done exactly this with my images and locations. I just never knew it was called "clustering". For me in multi, a cube takes 2 to 4 locations: 2 if there are no flipped-in-place edges or twisted corners, 3 if there are misoriented edges or misoriented corners, but not both, or 4 if there are both.

And I can see where the Pridmore system is easy to learn, but I wonder what you do when you come up with nonsense words? Just make up something that sounds close? I'd think a lot of the words generated would be nonsense words.
 
Wow, am loving this thread even though we're getting way off topic. OK, here's 2 methods I'm toying with, based on "What's the least amount of changes I need to make to my cube memo system to measure cards, whilst being efficient".

For the record, I use letter pairs in SVO, (Adam Ant Arches Around an Armoured Armadillo / Billy Bunter Brick-Builds Ball Bearings), so it's six-letters per image. Now, bear with me. This is how I try to encode 5 cards in 6 images.
Classify all suits as "Blunt" or "Pointy". Clubs and Hearts are "Blunt", Diamonds and Spades are "Pointy". Now encode:
A=Ace of blunt. B=2 of blunt. C=3 of blunt.... M=King of Blunt, N=Ace of Pointy, O=2 of Pointy ... Z=King of Pointy.
Encode 5 cards in your image. Then convert the colours to binary, Black=0 Red=1. Convert to a number (0-31) and encode this as your last letter (Yes, I know I only have 26 letters. Hold on). Encode that as an image. Stick it in a location. Do this 10 times (with 2 cards left over), you've memoed the deck. Takes about the same amount of "space" as 3 cubes if done this way

Worked example (Apologies in advance if I make any mistakes):
3-Diamonds, 10-Spades, 8-Clubs, Q-Hearts, 3-Spades
3D = Sharp, Letter P
10S = Sharp, Letter W
8C = Blunt, Letter H
QH = Blunt, Letter L
3S = Sharp, Letter P
Colors, Red, Black, Black, Red, Black = 10010 = 18 = R

MEMO: PWHLPR = Paul Whitehouse HeaLs (like a healer in world of warcraft) a plate of Pickled Radish

DISCLAIMER: I can't yet actually do this! :-P~ The good news is to get fast, I just need to "rote-learn" about 83 things (Card/letter association, and binary encoding of suits), rather than 2704 brand new images. If I can, then speed cards may be fun.
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Second method not thought through yet or practiced seriously:
C=Blue, D=Green, H=Red, S=Yellow (Blues Club, Green with Envy of diamonds, Red Heart, It's Yellow to call someone a Spade)

Ace = A, 2 = B ... 10 = T (T for Ten), Jack=J, Queen=Q or R, King=K. Do a similar image, but colour each object with it's suit (the top half with the first colour, the second half with the second colour). NB, Queen is Q or R because Q words are a nasty to come up with
Sounds ridiculous, but the memo seems to work. You really need to visualise your picture though, with the colours.

3-Diamonds, 10-Spades, 8-Clubs, Q-Hearts, 3-Spades, A-Hearts
3D = C, Green
10S = T, Yellow
8C = H, Blue
QH = R, Red
3S = C, Yellow
AH = A, Red
Memo = CTHRCA
Charlize Theron (Green skin, yellow clothes) HuRdles (Her pants are blue, her shoes are red) over a Candy Apple (yellow top, red stick)

Six cards per image. Tough and probably #fail.

Again, I've not actually succeeded in memoing a deck yet. Apologies for mistakes. Remember, my goal is "Come up with a way of memoing cards with as little extra work as possible". Thanks you all for your feedback above!
 
Yesterday, dnf 5x5 with a threecycle of corners... That sucked.

Today, I had a funny failure. I scrambled to 3x3, took one in each hand, and memoed one threecycle in the right hand, one in the left hand, and then took turns between the hands. Then I solved just like I memo'ed, one algorithm in right hand, and the next one in the left hand.

Result; a threecycle edges wrong in the left hand and everything totally wrong in the other hand (cube rotation wrong). But it was kind of fun, but hard.
 
9 comp 3BLD DNFs now, no successes, 5 off by 3 pieces or less.
Yesterday;
DNF, 2 twisted corners, 2 2swaps of edges, and M2 (maybe a move wrong in parity/last few corners).
DNF, 3cycle of edges. I couldn't remember.

Now this is the most frustrating one. I memo'd edges in about 20s, which is great for me, it was easy to remember, and I still do ([JL][ED][NP][SV][RB][HP], Chalupas for Ed? Nope, he has to save the rabbi. He isn't happy.)
Corners were a pain, they just wouldn't stick in memory. I use audio for corners, so it'd take me <10s if I could do it 1pass, but they were mostly bad pairs like WH and IU (hard to make different sounds), and this took a lot of effort to memorise. Total memo time was 49s, my PB of 1:42 had 40s memo. I executed fairly well, no pauses until the last few edge letter pairs, where I got ahead of myself, and executed before thinking the memo over in my head. I lost track of where I was up to, but I was fairly sure I'd just done [RB]. I had a mind blank for about 10s, so I went through every sticker, trying to see which ones I'd already used. After about a minute searching the cube, I gave up, took off the blindfold, saw UF first, as one of the unsolved pieces and remember "not happy [HP]".

Very disappointing. And Faz/Zane said I got to the last 3 edges at like 2:10~ D:
 
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Distastrous 4bld attempt. Memo for centers went ok-ish for first time. Wasn't too bad.

EDGES ARE RIDICULOUS. Memo'd centers in 8 minutes, spent the next 44 minutes doing edges. Kept screwing up something and then when I started doing execution I undid the l slice thing wrong (decided to execute as :corners, edges, centers) on literally my 2nd edge and I knew it so I just DNFd.

That was pathetic. Very discouraging. Very.
 
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Distastrous 4bld attempt. Memo for centers went ok-ish for first time. Wasn't too bad.

EDGES ARE RIDICULOUS. Memo'd centers in 8 minutes, spent the next 44 minutes doing edges. Kept screwing up something and then when I started doing execution I undid the l slice thing wrong (decided to execute as :corners, edges, centers) on literally my 2nd edge and I knew it so I just DNFd.

That was pathetic. Very discouraging. Very.
I just did almost the exact same thing, but with written memo. Centers went fine, but after about 4 edges, centers were still solved, but nothing else corresponded was what I had written down.
 
i finally had a pop while BLD!
It was before the last move of a cube of a /9 multibld
i found the edge and put it correctly!
but i didnt want to risk so it was +2
at the end 8/9 in 56 :D
 
9/10 in 27:07 (17min memo). I messed up a setup move on my sixth cube :/.

Wow! When I said you could do it, I guess I meant that I thought there was a good chance that you would be the first one to do it (24/24 in an hour). There are a few others that might really beat you to it these days (Zane and Aron, for instance), but I think if you got hooked again right now and stuck with it, you'd be the first one there.
 
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