Blindsolving Accomplishment Thread

[VirKill]

Person-Action-Person-Action + Place

I need a route for each cube
Each route consist of 5 place

When we want to do more cube we only need another route consist of 5 place. We dont need to have another image for each sticker.

Example route:
cube1. (House) bedroom-livingroom-frontyard-garage-bathroom
cube2. (office) frontoffice-isle-backoffice-partry-meeting room

I imagine Person-action-person-action happen in each place.

 

[Pitzu]

I imagine Person-action-person-action happen in each place.

Sounds good!

 

[martijn_cube]

ok thanks. I'm still in a bit of doubt about how to make my memo system a bit better.

 

[Ville Seppänen]

I imagine Person-action-person-action happen in each place.

Sounds good!

HAHAHA! XD

 

[VirKill]

I imagine Person-action-person-action happen in each place.

Sounds good!

HAHAHA! XD

C'mon, ville, Pitzu.... Give me a clue to a better Image based memo system for Multi BLD.

In my current memo sytem, the memorization ends up like this:

Mr Jay complaint about Ms.Tati's Laughing too loud (in fontyard)= WG-GY-WB-YB

Sales girl seduce Me to make love (in my garage) = OB-OG-YG-BW

And It's continued until all 5 place in one route have those 'event', thats how i memorize +/- 20 strings in one cube.

For another cube, I have another route...

I hope you can give me suggestion for this memo system....

PS:
Accomplisment this morning 3x3x3: 2:34.27

 

[blah]

Vague/abstract things such as "sales girl" and "seduce" don't work very well for images imo. You need vivid stuff.

Imho images are reliable, but not fast. I'd use it for multi, but not for speed. It's too much time spent on relating the images and translating data from position to images back to position. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Vague/abstract things such as "sales girl" and "seduce" don't work very well for images imo. You need vivid stuff.

Imho images are reliable, but not fast. I'd use it for multi, but not for speed. It's too much time spent on relating the images and translating data from position to images back to position. But that's just my opinion.

I once thought that was true too, but have you seen the online videos of Ben Pridmore, the memory expert? He has memorized a pack of cards (including time to turn the cards over) in 26.28 seconds. That's about one image per second. If you don't do orientation and permutation separately (I still need to work on that for corners), you should only need about 10 images for a typical 3x3x3 solve. It should be just as easy to trace pieces on a cube as it is to flip over the cards, and there are fewer possibilities with the pieces - just 24 possibilities with each piece, as opposed to 52 possibilities with the cards. So it should be perfectly possible to memorize a cube with images as fast as Ville has memorized visually in his sub-30 solves.

So my opinion is that images can be quite fast. But that's just my opinion.

 

[mande]

3x3 Multi: 2/2: 8:49:xy (memo 4:35)
That beat my old record by almost 3 and a half minutes!

 

[Ville Seppänen]

Virkill, your system is the same as mine whenever I use images. It's a good system.

So it should be perfectly possible to memorize a cube with images as fast as Ville has memorized visually in his sub-30 solves.

I'm sure images are/can be fast, but I DON'T use visual for the most part.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Virkill, your system is the same as mine whenever I use images. It's a good system.

So it should be perfectly possible to memorize a cube with images as fast as Ville has memorized visually in his sub-30 solves.

I'm sure images are/can be fast, but I DON'T use visual for the most part.

Oh, sorry - I guess you've mentioned that before. Old assumptions die hard. So I should say "It should be perfectly possible to memorize a cube with images as fast as Ville has memorized using his memorization methods in his sub-30 solves."

 

[VirKill]

Vague/abstract things such as "sales girl" and "seduce" don't work very well for images imo. You need vivid stuff.

Thanks for that, I think I really should change some image like 'sales girl' and 'delivery boy'. It takes longer to really imagine it since there's no real figure. And I should change Bugs Bunny (OGY) and Garfield (YOG)...It's too weird to imagine 'em in my office...The others works perfects for now, especially for 'seduce'...

Dennis Stehrau's sub one minutes video was inspired me to start BLD. He said that the method is old pochmman, and the memo method is the same as he use for multi BLD (story based). Before I saw it, I wonder how fast someone can go with 'old pochmman' and 'image' based memo method. Now I use M2/Old Pochmman, and with my current memo method, sometimes i can get 40 second memo (when there's no need to break into new cycle). That's why I believe that this memo method can bring me sub 2 minutes (my current goal).

I once thought that was true too, but have you seen the online videos of Ben Pridmore, the memory expert? He has memorized a pack of cards (including time to turn the cards over) in 26.28 seconds. That's about one image per second. If you don't do orientation and permutation separately (I still need to work on that for corners), you should only need about 10 images for a typical 3x3x3 solve. It should be just as easy to trace pieces on a cube as it is to flip over the cards, and there are fewer possibilities with the pieces - just 24 possibilities with each piece, as opposed to 52 possibilities with the cards. So it should be perfectly possible to memorize a cube with images as fast as Ville has memorized visually in his sub-30 solves.

Hey, I saw similar video. HE explain how he can memorize a pack of card using Person-Action/Place method. When he demonstrate it, it was really fast. But.... How u can get 10 image for 3x3x3 cube instead of 18ish?

Thanks Mike, Now I'm quite confident to use my memo method.

 

[VirKill]

Virkill, your system is the same as mine whenever I use images. It's a good system.

Thanks Ville....

But....I tought those memo method is only worked for m2/r2 or classic pochmman...can u still use it when you do freestyle?

Today's accomplishment:
I practise regular BLD with the same method for multi, using routed place. It's slowing me down a bit, but the good thing is: I dont have to double check it before i start solving since it stuck better in my head. The result: None of them sub 3 minute like I usually can do. I hope it can be better...

 

[Mike Hughey]

Hey, I saw similar video. HE explain how he can memorize a pack of card using Person-Action/Place method. When he demonstrate it, it was really fast. But.... How u can get 10 image for 3x3x3 cube instead of 18ish?

I use two pieces per image - each image corresponds to a pair of letters A-X. Memorizing by sticker (no separate orientation and permutation steps) - if you have a single cycle of edges, with all edges wrong, you'll need 11 pieces. At two pieces per image, that's 5 1/2 images. For corners, assuming there's a single cycle and all corners are wrong, you'll have 7 pieces - 3 1/2 images. So 9 images in that case. Multiple cycles make it worse, but on average solves don't have more than 2 cycles per type of piece. So 10 is a good guess.

I know with Tim's (and apparently your) method, you're going a single image per piece, but there are potentially advantages to that method - you don't have anything to unpack and there are fewer possibilities to deal with. Tim has become very fast with this method, so it's likely that it can be just about as fast - maybe faster.

I know Ben Pridmore uses images for pairs of cards, and he puts 3 images per location, just like me. After I found that out, I decided my method probably wasn't too bad.

 

[Ville Seppänen]

After noticing Hai Yan is about slightly faster than me, I had to practise 3x3x3BLD. Here's my session:

Cubes Solved: 15/19
Number of Pops: 0
Average: 45,47
Standard Deviation: 8,07
Best Time: 34,53
Worst Time: 1:05,30
Individual Times:
1. 42,98 R' F2 L R' D2 F' D U L' U' F' U2 L R D2 U L2 R' U F R' B' D U2 F'
2. DNF B' F2 L D U F D2 U L2 B D' U2 L' R' D' B D2 R' U2 B D F L' B' F
3. 34,53 B2 R' D2 U B' F' R2 D2 U2 F D' B F2 D2 F' U' B2 F' R2 B R U B2 F2 D
4. 38,36 L' D U F' D U' B F' D2 F' L2 B F' L2 R2 F2 R' B2 L' B2 L' D U2 L' R2
5. DNF B' F2 L2 D2 U' F' U' B' F D U B F2 D U2 L D2 U R2 B L' R' D' U2 F
6. 38,75 R2 B2 L D R2 F2 D' L R B F2 L2 D2 R B' F' L2 R' D U' L B' R2 U' L
7. 49,12 D F2 D' U B F' D U2 L2 B F2 L R2 D B F D2 L D' U' L' D U L2 D2
8. 48,89 B2 D2 U2 B D' L B2 L D U2 F L' F2 D' U L R' U' R' B F' U2 R' B2 U
9. 36,72 U2 B2 L R2 D' U' B' F' R2 D2 U2 B' D2 L R2 D2 B2 F U B' F2 L2 U' L' U'
10. 38,08 D' L' R2 D2 L D U2 R D' U L R' B' F2 D2 U' B R' B' U' L2 D2 L2 U' B2
11. 48,59 F2 D2 U2 F' L2 R B' F' L2 R2 D U B U2 L2 D U F2 L' D2 U L R' F' R'
12. 38,08 B2 D' R B2 F L' R' D' L R' F' U2 L B' L2 R D2 U F2 D2 U2 L2 D' U' B'
13. 48,91 D2 R' U2 R' B' L' R2 D U' F' L2 R B' F2 L U2 F2 U L2 D U B F2 L F
14. DNF D2 L2 D L B2 F' D U2 L' B2 D' L' D F' L' D B F D' B2 D B' F' L D'
15. 47,08 L' R' B' U F' D B F2 D B2 F D2 R' B D U R D2 U2 L' B2 U' R2 B' F'
16. 1:05,30 R' B' L' D U2 L U R' B2 F' L2 R2 U L2 B F D B L' R2 F' D2 U2 L' B'
17. 52,41 B' F' D U2 B2 D' U' F D U2 B' L' R' D2 B' R2 B D L' D2 R D2 B D' U'
18. 54,30 D' U' B' F2 D2 F' U B F U2 B2 R' D' U' L2 R2 U F2 L' R' D' U R2 B' F
19. DNF U B2 F' R' D' F' U L R' B F D U2 R D' U B L' R2 D' U' B F2 D U'
Best RA12: 47.52, RA5: 41.58
Got the average UWR, unless if Hai Yan has a faster one. He did say something about a 47 average.

I would've had a 43 average if only I didn't DNF the 14th. I was also really close to sub40 avg of 5

 

[tim]

Ville's crazy?

[ ] yes
[ ] yes, of course

 

[Mike Hughey]

Ville's crazy?

[X] yes
[X] yes, of course

I love it! Now I just hope Hai Yan can come back with a better one. It's been too long since Ville has had real competition - it's good for him.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Sorry to double-post, but I hadn't posted my accomplishments from last night:

4x4x4 BLD:
8:04.27 (3:30 memorization)

The third scramble in weekly competition 2009-03. 10 edges and 1 center were in the right place; that's slightly less than 20%, so I'm going to count this as a non-lucky new personal best. It's a pretty easy scramble, though, for anyone who's looking for a good 4x4x4 BLD scramble. I still can't get sub-8, but I'm finally starting to get really close!

3x3x3 BLD:
1:43.58 on the second scramble for the weekly competition 2009-03.
1:45.39 on the third scramble for the weekly competition 2009-03.

Both of these would be personal bests, except that by the definition on speedcubing.com, they're lucky because of corner orientation (and the 3 solved edges on the third scramble don't help). Since I do orient/permute on corners, I consider them lucky. And they're certainly easy - I wonder what was wrong with Arnaud's scrambler this week?

 

[Ville Seppänen]

Go Mike! I can see how the last 4x4x4 scramble could've been fast, I just had hard time memoing the edges and didn't get them right.

My accomplishment: 3x3x3BLD: 26.95
Scramble: L B2 D' U R F D U' L F D2 B F L2 U' L' R F U F2 D2 U B F R'

 

[martijn_cube]

niced scramble. i had an 3:09 fail on that
what was your memo time on it? and what is your normal 3x3 solvePB?

 

[VirKill]

2:46 with Ville's sramble

Today, I give a brief presentation about cube in a formal meeting in order to planning some competition (Maybe Indonesian Open 2009, who knows? ). I demonstrate a BLD solve. I'm nervous, and don't want to have a DNF this time, so, the memo tooks more than 2:30 since i have to do triple check for my memo.

Result was 4:44 success ...Fyuh......