Average of 100 O-H

[Lucas Garron]

Originally posted by AvGalen@Jul 4 2007, 02:27 PM
I noticed that (at the US Open 2007)

1) Americans are completely focussed on 3x3x3 and they took all prices for 3x3x3, 3x3x3_oh and 3x3x3_bf.
2) Europeans took almost all prices for other puzzles.

You're forgetting the 4x4x4 - Americans swept the 4x4x4. I think that maybe the problem is just that the Americans are behind the curve a bit. They're just now starting to pay attention to the other puzzles, which you Europeans have been getting good at for years. But I think they're starting to catch up, and they started with the one that's closest to the 3x3x3 - the 4x4x4.

Berkeley comps don't feel like that. You mean Caltech? Michael Gottlieb is there, and frustrated he can't do anything but 3x3x3.
Theses competitions are organized by college students (and alumni) without a good budget. So, they can't offer the variety that European comps do, and thus people don't focus on other events.
I gave up on multi-BLD to switch to speed BLD because Tyson didn't like it, and then only the former became an official event and the latter didn't. So, I dropped that, too. I'm lucky that Dan let me do 4x4x4 BLD...
And I really don'y know why they can't squish in Magics as a side event. I don't even care if there are no prizes for it, but it's so nice and fast!

 

[pjk]

Originally posted by AvGalen@Jul 4 2007, 02:27 PM
I noticed that (at the US Open 2007)

1) Americans are completely focussed on 3x3x3 and they took all prices for 3x3x3, 3x3x3_oh and 3x3x3_bf.
2) Europeans took almost all prices for other puzzles.

You're forgetting the 4x4x4 - Americans swept the 4x4x4. I think that maybe the problem is just that the Americans are behind the curve a bit. They're just now starting to pay attention to the other puzzles, which you Europeans have been getting good at for years. But I think they're starting to catch up, and they started with the one that's closest to the 3x3x3 - the 4x4x4.

Berkeley comps don't feel like that. You mean Caltech? Michael Gottlieb is there, and frustrated he can't do anything but 3x3x3.
Theses competitions are organized by college students (and alumni) without a good budget. So, they can't offer the variety that European comps do, and thus people don't focus on other events.
I gave up on multi-BLD to switch to speed BLD because Tyson didn't like it, and then only the former became an official event and the latter didn't. So, I dropped that, too. I'm lucky that Dan let me do 4x4x4 BLD...
And I really don'y know why they can't squish in Magics as a side event. I don't even care if there are no prizes for it, but it's so nice and fast!

Arnaud, afterall, that was the US Open.

 

[Dene]

Lol, bumping threads from July. That's about when I started cubing!! I'll do an average of 100 One-Handed when I get my cube back in action (maybe tomorrow, or even today if I have time). Hopefully, doing 100 solves will push down my times by a good 10 seconds.

 

[masterofthebass]

Arnaud, as another thing, the 5x5 was Candian, American, Belgian, Amercian, German. Now, it would be American, American, etc. The 4 of the top 5x5ers (along with a few others) are catching up with that puzzle as well. For 2x2 we are drastically behind, as well as some of the "side event" puzzles.

 

[Lofty]

Cubes Solved: 53
Total Pops: 0
Average: 26.11

Fastest Time: 16.46
Slowest Time: 32.64
Standard Deviation: 02.98

Not quite an average of 100 today. 16.46 the PLL was only a U adjustment. A bit slower than yesterday, I think this means I should:
a.)Take a break every other day
b.)warm-up before the average
c.) Not start the average at 2am.
Maybe I will average of 100 one day then memorize the next day and switch back and forth..

 

[Erik]

yeah somehow most American competition only have like 3x3, BLD, OH and that's it.. WHY????? If you only sqeeze in magic + MM it'll just take 10 min. longer....
who organises these things???? Personally I'd just not go to competitions like that, I want to have more than only 3,BLD,OH....

 

[Swordsman Kirby]

That is not necessarily true, though. Magic itself took about fifteen minutes at the Beijing Open, and Master Magic the same amount of time. The problem is that you can't let them practice forever before their solves.

Arnaud: You're forgetting the fact that Frank wasn't there.

 

[Lucas Garron]

yeah somehow most American competition only have like 3x3, BLD, OH and that's it.. WHY????? If you only sqeeze in magic + MM it'll just take 10 min. longer....
who organises these things???? Personally I'd just not go to competitions like that, I want to have more than only 3,BLD,OH....

Please tell this to Tyson and Dan (nicely).

 

[AvGalen]

Well, I just checked all results and this is where America stands right now:

3x3x3_average: 3 Andy Tsao
5x5x5_average: 3 Frank Morris
3x3x3_blind: 3 Chris Krueger
4x4x4_blind: 2 Chris Hardwick
5x5x5_blind: 2 Chris Hardwick, 3 Daniel Beyer
3x3x3_oh_single: 2 Chris Dzoan, 3 Dan Dzoan
3x3x3_oh_average: 1 Chris Dzoan, 2 Ryan Patricio
Magic_average: 3 Timoth Sun

No Americans in the top 3 for 2x2x2, 4x4x4, With Feet, Fewest Moves, Master Magic, MegaMinx, PyraMinx, Square-1, Clock, Multi-Blind.

Just a comparison: This is The Netherlands:
2x2x2_single: 1 Ron van Bruchem
3x3x3_single: 1 Ron van Bruchem, 2 Erik Akkersdijk
4x4x4_single: 2 Marc van Beest, 3 Erik Akkersdijk
4x4x4_average: 2 Ron van Bruchem, 3 Michael Fung
5x5x5_single: 1 Erik Akkersdijk
5x5x5_average: 1 Erik Akkersdijk
3x3x3_feet_single: 2 Erik Akkersdijk
3x3x3_feet_average: 3 Erik Akkersdijk
magic_single: 3 Erik Akkersdijk
megaminx_single: 1 Erik Akkersdijk
megaminx_average: 1 Erik Akkersdijk
clock_average: 3 Alexander Ooms

No Dutch in the top 3 for 3x3x3_blind, 3x3x3_oh, Fewest Moves, Master Magic, Pyraminx, Square-1, 4x4x4_blind, 5x5x5_blind, Multi-Blind

(maybe somebody would like to make the list for Hungary and Poland?)

US-Conclusion: You rule one-handed and are very good at big cubes blind. And every single person on that list is only in the top-3 of 1 event (except Chris Hardwick)

NL-Conclusion: We rule 3x3x3, 5x5x5 and megaminx and are very good at 4x4x4 and many other events. A lot of this is thanks to all-rounders Ron and Erik.

I just read this: http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/c.php?i=UCSD2008
3x3x3, 3x3x3_oh, 3x3x3_bf, 4x4x4 only

 

[pjk]

I also often wonder why they only do 3x3, OH, and BLD events at a competition. For the competition in April in Denver, I will see what I can do about side events.

 

[AvGalen]

Why do you think 2x2x2, 4x4x4, 5x5x5, Magics and Clock are side events?
Big Cubes Blind, Multi-Blind and Fewest Moves I can understand (Time-wise) and Pyraminx/MegaMinx/Square-1 are not Rubiks puzzles

 

[Dene]

So here's an interesting question, why is it that so many Dutch speedcube? I mean, if there were many Hungarian's, there would be a logical reason. Of course there are many American's, there just always is. Asian's are generally known for being involved in this sort of thing, but where do the Dutch come in?


(I'm not complaining, btw, I think it's brilliant that so many people love speedcubing as I do!)

 

[hdskull]

The Dutch don't rule 3x3, because both of what you(Arnaud) listed were singles, lucky singles. Both France and Japan has 3 people in the top 10 in average and France has 2 in top 5, so I think France/Japan rules the 3x3.

 

[Pedro]

The Dutch don't rule 3x3, because both of what you(Arnaud) listed were singles, lucky singles. Both France and Japan has 3 people in the top 10 in average and France has 2 in top 5, so I think France/Japan rules the 3x3.

agreed single shouldn't count as "ruling"...

 

[ExoCorsair]

Of course there are many American's, there just always is. Asian's are generally known for being involved in this sort of thing, but where do the Dutch come in?

Those are rather sweeping generalizations.

 

[Dene]

Perhaps, yet so very true? Of course, the huge populations would be the biggest factor in that. It seems that they're involved in everything, only because a few stand out.

 

[AvGalen]

http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/events.php?eventId=333&regionId=&years=&show=All%2BPersons&single=Single

2225 people solved the Rubiks Cube in competition

http://www.worldcubeassociation.org...erlands&years=&show=All+Persons&single=Single

69 of them were Dutch

Chances of Dutch getting first and second place:
69/2225 * 68/2224 = 0.0948%

Why are there so many Dutch Cubers?
69/2225 = 3,1% That is only a factor 10 higher than it should be (16000000 Dutch / 6000000000 World)
And that factor of 10 is easily explained by the fact that:
We are a rich/western country (more likely to own cubes and go to competitions)
Ron and Ton are Dutch (more likely to promote cubing)

The big question should be: Why are the Dutch so good? This is something to wonder about:
Joël van Noort became the 2006 European Champion
Ron van Bruchem became the Dutch National Champion just weeks later
Erik Akkersdijk became the first Dutch WR holder (3x3x3_single)
Ron van Bruchem became the second just weeks later

The odds of this happening are minimal unless the overall level is extremely high.

 

[Dene]

Ah yes it's a good point you make, and brings me to notice the flaw in my wording. What I meant was prominent Dutch cubers. Good old Netherlands, I've always wanted to go (I support you guys in the (soccer) worldcup!!)

 

[Rama]

Cubes Solved: 100
Total Pops: 0
Average: 25.61

Fastest Time: 18.48
Slowest Time: 33.88
Standard Deviation: 03.06
It was a weird average. Probably because it took place around 2-3 am. I started off sub 25 average then suddenly after the first 12 the solves went way up in times then around 50 or more I got back up to speed finally peeking at a low around of 23.77 around solve 95.
Only 2 sub-20's loads of 20.xx tho.

Great Lofty!

 

[Lofty]

Have you done any more avgs of 100 Rama? Most of the time I stop around 50-60 and have been getting averages in the 23.xx range. I was very happy with an average of 60 that was sub 25 and 3 or 4 sub 20 solves last night. Going for that number one spot lol.