Asian Open 2010

According to the website, http://www.thailandcube.com/ac2010/event.html, there was a time limit of 3 minutes for 4x4 and 6 minutes for BLD. Usually when it's called a "time limit", and not a "cutoff", that means that your solve is ended at that time. One person doing a 9-minute 4x4 solve can mess up the flow of the competition, that's why there's often a strict time limit.
 
Apparently the standard protocol differs over places. In European comps the most common protocol is to let the competitor finish his solve and record his time (unless it's really too long, but people who take 9 minutes to solve a 4^3 usually don't compete in it), but not to award him a second solve.
 
Yes, but my Square-1 was also out of time limit, but they noticed my time not DNF......

In this case I have more comfortable with European Competition style because they notice my time with no DNF.
 
The main judge decides on whether a solve beyond time limit is stopped or not. In this competition the main judge explicitly wanted attempts to be stopped at the time limit. To be consistent and fair, all other attempts beyond time limit were also declared DNF. This is a correct application of the regulations.
I personally prefer to have competitors solve at least one time without DNF.
 
Such kind of competition makes a beginner and lousy cuber like me afraid to compete I guess. But I'm happy that I have trained Indonesian Cubers with European Competition style... more effecient with time and all competitiors happy with a new PB while no average or DNF is DNF cause they can't solve.

Sorry if I'm wrong
 
So let's learn from this. When a cutoff time for an event is specified, the "head" judge has two choices.
1) To let the first solve run over the cutoff time and complete.
or
2) To stop the first solve at the cutoff time and call it a DNF.

Whatever the choice, this should be made clear to all competitors before the relevant event. Also, it should be specified on the competition's website so some notice is given (to those that read the competition details). The "head" judge should also have the flexibility to decided 1) or 2) for each event. e.g. 3x3 will be 1) but 7x7 will be 2) etc.
 
Such kind of competition makes a beginner and lousy cuber like me afraid to compete I guess.

In my opinion the situation is not that bad. As far as I know, only the biggest competitions could be like that, which are World Championship, European Championship, US Nationals and now the Asian Championship. Nowadays in these competitions we have to use qualification limits to let only the best competitors to compete, else it wouldn't be possible to organise them even with 3 days. Yes, it is sad for the competitors who are not fast enough for these time limits, but we have to make a cut somewhere. The speedcubing times are decreasing with an amazing amount every year, so we have to face the fact that it is going to be more and more tough to make it to these competitions.

For the actual situation, it depends on how the time schedule goes and what the organisers think. If they decide to stop a solve over the time limit, we have to respect their decision, even if it seems a bad decision.

At Euro we could save a lot of times, so we could let more competitors to do an average, and for example, I didn't stop Lukasz Cicheki during his 14 minutes blindfolded solve, since we had time for that. If we were late with the schedule, obviously I would have stopped him and worst case scenario even make the cut even lower.

Maria, like most of the speedcubers here, I do love you, and trust me, it doesn't matter how fast are you, we love you because of yourself. :) Noone wants to scare you off competing, but you need to understand why big competitions are strict. This was the first Asian Championship, which means the organisers might have felt the pressure for making a very good first impression, and from what I have heard, it turned out to be a really great competition.

Of course I wasn't there and don't know every details of this accident, let me know if I'm talking nonsense.

So let's learn from this. When a cutoff time for an event is specified, the "head" judge has two choices.
1) To let the first solve run over the cutoff time and complete.
or
2) To stop the first solve at the cutoff time and call it a DNF.

Whatever the choice, this should be made clear to all competitors before the relevant event. Also, it should be specified on the competition's website so some notice is given (to those that read the competition details). The "head" judge should also have the flexibility to decided 1) or 2) for each event. e.g. 3x3 will be 1) but 7x7 will be 2) etc.

It is not possible to tell that beforehead. How do you know if you will have a delay or not? I still prefer to adjust these to each competition and decide these right there. Once again with the Euro example: If we were more strict and say the time limit is 5 minutes for 2 solves only (we extended that for best of 3 right there), we would have made 3 competitors unhappy for having a DNF and all the competitors less happy for having only 2 solves instead of 3, plus we could have sit there and wait raughly 1 hour for 3x3x3 to start.

Also it is more simple and easier to write this on the website: The competitor should all time respect the main judge's/organiser's decision.
 
So let's learn from this. When a cutoff time for an event is specified, the "head" judge has two choices.
1) To let the first solve run over the cutoff time and complete.
or
2) To stop the first solve at the cutoff time and call it a DNF.

Whatever the choice, this should be made clear to all competitors before the relevant event. Also, it should be specified on the competition's website so some notice is given (to those that read the competition details). The "head" judge should also have the flexibility to decided 1) or 2) for each event. e.g. 3x3 will be 1) but 7x7 will be 2) etc.

There is however an other options.. not apply a timelimit per cube , but a total solve time (The polish cuber use this for blind fold)

e.g. let's say you want 3 attempt for blindfold, you can use a total limit for the 3 cubes of 10 min

hence if 1 attempt is 8 min , you can not do the 2nd and 3th attempt.The only requirement is the judge much write the DNF time...or if you solve the time. The scrambles should check the total time if an other scramble is allowed, main judge can still decide...to implement an other total time if the schedule allow

We could apply this also for any format, I think this a very fair solution. Clear and straightforward
 
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There is however an other options.. not apply a timelimit per cube , but a total solve time (The polish cuber use this for blind fold)

e.g. let's say you want 3 attempt for blindfold, you can use a total limit for the 3 cubes of 10 min

hence if 1 attempt is 8 min , you can not do the 2nd and 3th attempt.The only requirement is the judge much write the DNF time...or if you solve the time. The scrambles should check the total time if an other scramble is allowed, main judge can still decide...to implement an other total time if the schedule allow

We could apply this also for any format, I think this a very fair solution. Clear and straightforward

I appreciate there are many of you with much more experience in competitions than myself. I think my main point is that whatever is decided, it is made very clear to all the competitors before the event.
 
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