Ellis
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Yea, I've seen that name on there a lot, usually in a pretty high rank
Andy Tran?!
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Yea, I've seen that name on there a lot, usually in a pretty high rank
Stefan
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Do I really need to make a "Michael Gottlieb" account and have him admit bad things to illustrate my point?
So if there's an innocent second Andy Tran out there, it's ok for you that he gets harrassed?
And to be precise, I do *not* know that there is an Andy Tran who cheated. I do believe those winning entries to the Sunday contest are wrong, but maybe it was *you* who submitted them? Maybe there's just one Andy Tran and for some reason you hate him and invented a second Andy Tran, cheated in his name, and then admit the cheating publicly here and in emails?
No, of course I don't really think so. And I believe it's more likely that you guys are right. I just haven't seen proof, that's all.
andatude
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ok, i am the Andy Tran from Australia who cheated in the SC comp by submitting 2 times, one was 20 sumthing the other was a sub 11. i am one andy tran, i have no idea who the Andy tran from america is, im guessing he is real but not sure if he is cheating or not.
Stefan
Legend
You know, that repetition post kinda didn't add anything. This could still be an impostor just pretending to be Andy Tran in order to make the real one look bad. If you really want to admit cheating, mention it on your youtube page, not with a brandnew unconnected forum account.
I believe the more recent Sunday Contest Andy Tran entries are fake, and I'll assume this to be the case for the following thoughts:
If your above message is true and thus not written by an impostor trying to make the real Andy look bad, then those new Sunday Contest entries are from an impostor trying to make Andy look bad. So either way there'd be an impostor, and then why should I believe it's not the andatude account here? Brings us back to the above point of saying stuff with the andatude account here is useless. Or... there's no impostor anywhere and you're still lying about not being the "Andy Tran from America".
I believe the more recent Sunday Contest Andy Tran entries are fake, and I'll assume this to be the case for the following thoughts:
If your above message is true and thus not written by an impostor trying to make the real Andy look bad, then those new Sunday Contest entries are from an impostor trying to make Andy look bad. So either way there'd be an impostor, and then why should I believe it's not the andatude account here? Brings us back to the above point of saying stuff with the andatude account here is useless. Or... there's no impostor anywhere and you're still lying about not being the "Andy Tran from America".
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Huh. That's an interesting development. So this guy's saying he (Andy Tran?) posted the 22.35 and the 10.53, but someone *else* posted the 10.14 and the 9.99? If this is true, I wonder who posted the USA Andy Tran times.
Stefan: I'm not okay with a second innocent Andy Tran getting harassed, but what I was saying was that the question "are these times by Andy Tran legitimate?" has been partially answered with a "no". I'm glad half of the question (is the sub-11 by the Australian Andy Tran legit) is answered, but the other half (are the sub-11s by the USA Andy Tran legit) is still open, and obviously the evidence for the first part is not evidence for the second part. In fact we have no evidence on either side of the second question.
Incidentally, the 'making a fake account under someone's name and admitting he cheated' thing would always work, wouldn't it? There's no way to prove that your speedsolving account is the actual you, without basically showing someone trustworthy that you are posting under it in real life, which couldn't happen because the people who are most likely to be accused of making up times are people who have never competed and probably don't know any reasonably well-known cubers.
[Sidenote: If I was going to run a Sunday Contest type online competition, I'd request verification from anyone submitting a sub-15 average for the first time. It's enough if they have a video of a reasonably close average of 12, or if they've gotten sub-20 or whatever in competition... but the point is that I don't want people submitting random 10.xx or 9.xx averages unless I know who they are and that they are capable of it. Unfortunately assuming everyone's fake until proven real is the only way to prevent cheating from affecting the results.]
Stefan: I'm not okay with a second innocent Andy Tran getting harassed, but what I was saying was that the question "are these times by Andy Tran legitimate?" has been partially answered with a "no". I'm glad half of the question (is the sub-11 by the Australian Andy Tran legit) is answered, but the other half (are the sub-11s by the USA Andy Tran legit) is still open, and obviously the evidence for the first part is not evidence for the second part. In fact we have no evidence on either side of the second question.
Incidentally, the 'making a fake account under someone's name and admitting he cheated' thing would always work, wouldn't it? There's no way to prove that your speedsolving account is the actual you, without basically showing someone trustworthy that you are posting under it in real life, which couldn't happen because the people who are most likely to be accused of making up times are people who have never competed and probably don't know any reasonably well-known cubers.
[Sidenote: If I was going to run a Sunday Contest type online competition, I'd request verification from anyone submitting a sub-15 average for the first time. It's enough if they have a video of a reasonably close average of 12, or if they've gotten sub-20 or whatever in competition... but the point is that I don't want people submitting random 10.xx or 9.xx averages unless I know who they are and that they are capable of it. Unfortunately assuming everyone's fake until proven real is the only way to prevent cheating from affecting the results.]
Stefan
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Hmm, maybe we've just discovered why people find me much more friendly in real life.
andatude
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there done, i posted on my youtube channel telling you that it is me, Andy Tran from Australia.
www.youtube.com/roOstaz94
www.youtube.com/roOstaz94
Ellis
Veteran
Thanks andy. Its nice that you're going out of your way to try and prove that it was actually you. I respect that.
As long as you're answering all these questions, I just have to ask... did you also post the Andy Tran times from America? Or did someone else see your previous results and decide to joke around and post more times as Andy Tran?
As long as you're answering all these questions, I just have to ask... did you also post the Andy Tran times from America? Or did someone else see your previous results and decide to joke around and post more times as Andy Tran?
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andatude
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i have no idea who the Andy Tran from America is, so i didn't post those times. i don't know about any one who decided to play around with my name, if some one is it's not me.
Ellis
Veteran
Well yea, there's been an Andy Tran in first place 3 different times. One was Australia and the other two from the US. So someone else is just playing around... and if thats the case we can expect to see more first place Andy Tran's in the future. I hope Jon does something about it. Is it really that hard to just delete those times? I guess, either that or he's just not on top of it. Thanks andy.
Stefan
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Alright, confirmed, you can take it off again if you want. And thanks. Like Ellis already said, it's nice you're going out of your way to prove that that was indeed you. People can do mistakes or other bad stuff and it tells us something about them, but how they handle it after it is discovered still tells a lot about them, too. Some sadly never come clean and continue to cause trouble. I think you're on a good way and hope you won't cheat again and I do believe you that the American Andy Tran entries aren't from you. Hope you'll stick around for more than just this thread. I don't exactly like cube lagoon & co, but overall your videos make you look like a nice and helpful guy.
andatude
Regular
Thank you guys, and once again i apologize for cheating and will never cheat again.
mazei
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Sigh, if only more interesting stuff like this happens(But with endings like this though as it is easier for us).
Fobo911
Regular
Well, Jon finally updated his contest... Seems like he might not have sticker prizes anymore...
http://www.nascarjon.us/sunday.php
http://www.nascarjon.us/sunday.php
