An update on my ZBF2L progress

I finally reached a long-term goal of mine today: I averaged sub 13 using purely ZBF2L + COLL/PLL.

11.94, 12.31, (11.52), 13.81, 12.34, 14.97, (15.03), 12.42, 13.62, 13.38, 11.86, 13.06 = 12.97 average

It was an RA of 23 solves. Every solve had a two look LL, so no solve was "lucky", though it is hard to determine what is and isn't lucky with ZB. I am very excited about this average though. I cannot wait to start learning ZBLL!

I think I have 17 or 18 ZBF2L cases left to go, then I will know them all. I'm going to try and get that finished up in the next few days.

I absolutely LOVE this method :)
 
Very amazing!
Congrats!
How OH friendly would you say this method is? It sounds very appealing to me although I doubt I would ever do it all Although I may do VH since I have just finally finished up my OLL algs...
is there a good website for the VH method?
 
Exocorsair: Chris Hardwick knew all of ZBF2L at one point. I am not sure how much of it he still knows though. He stopped working on ZB around October 2005. As far as I know, I will be the only one currently who knows all of ZBF2L, once I'm finished learning it. Also as far as I know, I am the only one who can rival my Fridrich times with ZBF2L. Sometimes using ZBF2L is even faster for me now than just doing Fridrich. So that is definitely really cool.

Lofty: I would say for the most part ZBF2L is OH friendly. The exception would be the cases where you have to flip all 4 edges, but some of those are nice. I wouldn't recommend using VHF2L though. In my opinion all it does is add unnecessary moves. Although, I would definitely know basic partial edge control cases like R' F R F' so that you can avoid the bad OLLs where no edges are oriented.
 
Right I do know some of the basic ones like that I use to avoid bad cases (or luckily sometimes even skip OLL)
I made my own printable page of the ZBF2L algs from Lars's site that I wanted with the most basic 32 ZBF2l cases on it.
Ok I was jut wondering because my 2 hand times are no more than 5 seconds faster on average and if i ever did think of expanding my method it would be for OH.
Thats gotta be pretty nifty being the only person in the world having the whole zbf2l memorized!
Edit: I have finished 100% learning all the OLL's and have printed out the printable ZBF2l off of cubezone!
 
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yay! Congrats! That is quite a feat, 306 is a great many algs to have in your brain all at once. Are you going to start on ZBLL immediately now?
I just started on ZBF2l... I'm having a hard enough time on the first 32 (16 with mirrors)... they just don't seem to stick like the OLL and PLL algs did for me... it will take me a loooong time.
 
Thanks guys... I'm going to start ZBLL in a week or two. I want to give myself a short break from learning algs, and use this time to really solidify ZBF2L into my brain (especially the last 20 cases or so).

Erik: I didn't know you were working on a new method. I am intrigued. How fast do you think it can get?

Does anybody know the exact number of cases for ZBLL? I have heard 493 and 494. Is it 494 including the solved case, or what?

This weekend I'm going to be taking a lot of videos of me solving with ZBF2L. Hopefully I can get some fast solves on video. I'll try and have the videos posted by early next week!
 
The reason I ask about the number of cases is that I think the total number of ZB cases should either be 798 or 800 (traditionally it's been 799). The accpeted number for the amount of ZBF2L cases is 306, but this includes the solved case. For ZBLL, the number is usually 493, but this apparantly does not include the solved case. I think we should either include the solved case in ZBLL for 494 cases or drop the solved case in ZBF2L for 305 cases. Preferably include the solved case for ZBLL, since this would round up the total number of algs to a nice, even 800 (306+494). Thoughts?
 
I just calculated what the number would be (I have no idea why I didn't think to do this before). There are 8 orientation for ZBLL: the 7 orientations for COLL and when the whole LL is oriented (PLL). 6 of the 7 orientations for COLL have 72 ZBLL cases, the other case has 40 ZBLL cases. PLL obviously has 21 cases. So:

(6 * 72) + 40 + 21 = 493

Add one for the solved case and you have 494.

ZBF2L is definitely 306 including the solved case. So I think that if the number for ZBF2L cases is going to be 306, the number of ZBLL cases should be 494. To be honest it has always really bugged me that the number of cases for ZB was 799, so adding the solved case to ZBLL to round it up to 800 would be very aesthetically pleasing to me :P
 
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