ichcubegerne
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Was doing a weekly comp. I just closed reg, if you made it you made it
Allrounder Knockout Tournament 2025
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ichcubegerne
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The Allrounder Knockout Tournament 2025 has started!
(One competitor has not had a competition yet and has been assigned the ID: 2025NOID01)
Knockout Tree
Registrations
You have time until Monday 20:00 (CET) to enter your results. The new round will start shortly after. I will be updating the tree regularily.
How to compete:
Step 1: Search for your match on the bottom of this post.
Step 2: Search your match number in the tree.
Example:
Step 4: Compete in the given events with the given Scrambles
Step 5: Fill in the form
If you have questions, feel free to ask them.
Matchups & Events:
2022SCHM01 vs 2021SUSL01
Event#1: 5x5
Event#2: OH
Event#3: 6x6
2013BROW04 vs 2025ATKI03
Event#1: 2x2
Event#2: Skewb
Event#3: Clock
2017RICH02 vs 2025TERP02
Event#1: OH
Event#2: FMC
Event#3: Skewb
2019RAIM03 vs 2021LAMP01
Event#1: Skewb
Event#2: 6x6
Event#3: 4x4
2011REED01 vs 2013MARC03
Event#1: 2x2
Event#2: 4x4
Event#3: 3BLD
2018OVER04 vs 2017LOTZ01
Event#1: 5BLD
Event#2: FMC
Event#3: 5x5
2017PIHE01 vs 2019WILS14
Event#1: 4x4
Event#2: FMC
Event#3: 5x5
2015JAEH01 vs 2019RIBE11
Event#1: 5x5
Event#2: 6x6
Event#3: MBF
2022MULL02 vs 2023JAIN31
Event#1: 3x3
Event#2: 5x5
Event#3: Megaminx
2018MULL07 vs 2017CATA04
Event#1: 7x7
Event#2: 6x6
Event#3: FMC
2013BOTZ01 vs 2025NOID01
Event#1: 2x2
Event#2: 5x5
Event#3: 4BLD
2016COSS01 vs 2023BARZ02
Event#1: 3BLD
Event#2: 5x5
Event#3: Pyraminx
2021WILL06 vs 2011MAAS01
Event#1: Megaminx
Event#2: Pyraminx
Event#3: Square-1
2017LIND01 vs 2021LUUL01
Event#1: 3BLD
Event#2: 5x5
Event#3: 4x4
2018BUDH01 vs 2021SPIE01
Event#1: 3BLD
Event#2: Skewb
Event#3: MBF
2019VILL03 vs 2023KOTW01
Event#1: 2x2
Event#2: Clock
Event#3: 3BLD
2016BROO08 vs 2016DIET01
Event#1: 7x7
Event#2: Square-1
Event#3: 6x6
2015MINK04 vs 2019LAWR02
Event#1: 3x3
Event#2: Clock
Event#3: Skewb
(One competitor has not had a competition yet and has been assigned the ID: 2025NOID01)
Knockout Tree
Registrations
You have time until Monday 20:00 (CET) to enter your results. The new round will start shortly after. I will be updating the tree regularily.
How to compete:
Step 1: Search for your match on the bottom of this post.
Step 2: Search your match number in the tree.
Example:
Step 4: Compete in the given events with the given Scrambles
Step 5: Fill in the form
If you have questions, feel free to ask them.
Matchups & Events:
2022SCHM01 vs 2021SUSL01
Event#1: 5x5
Event#2: OH
Event#3: 6x6
2013BROW04 vs 2025ATKI03
Event#1: 2x2
Event#2: Skewb
Event#3: Clock
2017RICH02 vs 2025TERP02
Event#1: OH
Event#2: FMC
Event#3: Skewb
2019RAIM03 vs 2021LAMP01
Event#1: Skewb
Event#2: 6x6
Event#3: 4x4
2011REED01 vs 2013MARC03
Event#1: 2x2
Event#2: 4x4
Event#3: 3BLD
2018OVER04 vs 2017LOTZ01
Event#1: 5BLD
Event#2: FMC
Event#3: 5x5
2017PIHE01 vs 2019WILS14
Event#1: 4x4
Event#2: FMC
Event#3: 5x5
2015JAEH01 vs 2019RIBE11
Event#1: 5x5
Event#2: 6x6
Event#3: MBF
2022MULL02 vs 2023JAIN31
Event#1: 3x3
Event#2: 5x5
Event#3: Megaminx
2018MULL07 vs 2017CATA04
Event#1: 7x7
Event#2: 6x6
Event#3: FMC
2013BOTZ01 vs 2025NOID01
Event#1: 2x2
Event#2: 5x5
Event#3: 4BLD
2016COSS01 vs 2023BARZ02
Event#1: 3BLD
Event#2: 5x5
Event#3: Pyraminx
2021WILL06 vs 2011MAAS01
Event#1: Megaminx
Event#2: Pyraminx
Event#3: Square-1
2017LIND01 vs 2021LUUL01
Event#1: 3BLD
Event#2: 5x5
Event#3: 4x4
2018BUDH01 vs 2021SPIE01
Event#1: 3BLD
Event#2: Skewb
Event#3: MBF
2019VILL03 vs 2023KOTW01
Event#1: 2x2
Event#2: Clock
Event#3: 3BLD
2016BROO08 vs 2016DIET01
Event#1: 7x7
Event#2: Square-1
Event#3: 6x6
2015MINK04 vs 2019LAWR02
Event#1: 3x3
Event#2: Clock
Event#3: Skewb
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CAPTAINVALPO96
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Can I just DNS all my solves smh my opponent it’s gonna light the burners on me
ichcubegerne
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I obviously understand that you dont want to do FMC for an hour just to get a guaranteed loss in the end, but I dont get why you wouldnt at least do 4x4 and 5x5 just so you have actually competed, since its only 5 solves each in a week. If you were gonna surrender an impossible match, I dont understand why you registered in the first place, as that was pretty much guaranteed from the kinch based seeding.
In the end I cant force you to do anything, its your decision.
CAPTAINVALPO96
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Imma DNS FMC, I’ll do the other events tho.
That0newe1rdo
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Wdym by kinch based seeding ?
Do you mean like my opponent (2013BROW04) has a similar kinch score to me ?
Like I know i was pretty cooked from the start but if so i can say with a guarantee their kinch score is way higher then mine.
Ill still compete tho its just both confusing and (imo) a tad annoying, as i thought that Id at least be put with someone of a more similar skill level - as similar as it can be at least.
Thanks
ichcubegerne
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The way proper seeding works is that you have a ranking of all competitors (in this case kinch based) and then you match the first against the last, second against second to last and so on.
While this might be considered unfair to the weaker competitors, as they are matched against very strong competitors, it wouldnt be any more fair for one of the top 2 competitors to be kicked in the very first round due to them beeing matched against each other. The better you are, the further you should be able to expectedly proceed.
Brooo, I got matched with @BVCuber13 im so cooked. I’m not even sub8 on clock and I only have 8 bod success.
CubeLite
Legend
It was good seeing you guys
My opponent literally has a sub 2 pyra average and sub 1 5x5 average, I guys it's bad RNG
Also if this would have started after Nats, I could have had a better match, since my kinch is TRASH, I haven't completed in over a year
I'll still compete ofc
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CAPTAINVALPO96
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I wish I drew clock but I drew some crappy events fr
ichcubegerne
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I got the dude without an ID for the first match and we drew 4BLD lmao
bldcuber314
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Some of my worst events got drawn and my opponent is fast I'm dead
BVCuber13
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Hey I mean what if I triple dnf and you get a success? Then even if I beat you in clock you have a chance in 2x2 (you’re prob gonna beat me in that anyway)
ichcubegerne
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Literally got the worst events against Manu. He is cracked in all of them.
That0newe1rdo
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yh i see what you mean, however if you put people of equal skill against one another, whilst it is unfair to the better people, i dont believe ive ever seen anyone complain about that.
Also, if you grouped people in the more standard way, that would make people more happy then it would make people angry imo.
I also believe using kinch scores from peoples WCA to group people is kind of stupid (imo) as people, such as @CubeLite have not competed in ages, and so their kinch score may be inaccurate.
lastly, whats the point of having a comp in this style if people arent given a chance to progress into the comp - you might as well of u not accepted the worst (etc) 8 people, so that the top (etc) 8 wouldnt have to waste time doing a round they are guaranteed to win.
CubeLite
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My problem is a problem and multiple have it, but can you stop being a child, you want to see someone with a kinch of 10 to get 3rd, while someone with kinch 30 gets last?? This is a normal way of doing brackets style comp, I also did this for my skewb tournament and nobody complained because it makes sense
That0newe1rdo
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wdym child bro at least i gave why i think itd be better to do like the more equal against equal rather then this - i didnt just say "OH YOU SHOULD DO IT THE WAY I WANT FOR NO ReASON WHATSOEVER"
empahsis on THINK, i didnt say it HAD to be made like the way I wanted it to be, but that was just my opinion.
and also alright you have given me an example of when it has worked fine, which i didnt clarify that this is a bad layout since i didnt really know from experience.
thanks for the criticism and rudeness to my opinion tho, no hate to you or whatever.
CubeLite
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Ok bro, I didn't say it in a mean way, but you already said like 2-3 times this, that's why I said child, he already got your idea
ichcubegerne
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This is incorrect, as I have organized this tournament multiple times and decisions like these have been backed by feedback of the majority of the community.
It is a fair criticism that this seeding disadvantages people with few comps and that some of them are not at fault for their low amount of comps. I opted for this seeding because it is
1. Easy to do, due to existing resources
2. A very solid representation of allrounder capabilities
3. Does not require participants to do anything beyond filling a form to register
Back when comps were a lot more scarce, I experimented with adding weekly comp results into profiles, but this just led to a lot of confusion, as it made the seeding more complex and it also added a lot of additional work.
Everyone is given a chance to progress and that chance is relative to how good of an allrounder they are, which is entirely in the spirit of the tournament. It is also not true that all of the people seeded in the bottom half have no chance to win, there are definitely very interesting battles in the middle range of seeds, which is how it should be.
All in all, you want a tournament that interprets fairness in a sense of "everyone is equal", but to me fairness takes into account how skilled the competitors are, which I think would be unfair to ignore. Keep in mind that you are on the very extreme end of the spectrum here, as you were seeded second to last just ahead of the guy with no ID, so you having a hard time was entirely unavoidable. Anything to accommodate slower cubers to have better chances is automatically decreasing the chances of better cubers, which I find less fair in a competition.
What if we both triple dnf and you beat me in clock and I beat you in 2x2? Do we both go through?
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