All oll/pll learned, still i average "only" 30 sec

[teller]

You sound normal for someone who ate the full OLL early (I did too). While other people were speedsolving, we were memorizing 57 algs. It makes us late bloomers where F2L is concerned.

People preach "look-ahead" all the time around here, but it's not useful advice until your existing one-at-a-time corner-edge pair insertion is fully automatized. You have to be able to let go of the current insertion in order to look ahead, and you can't rush this ability. We're talking months.

There was a time when I would typically only preplan 2 or 3 pieces of my cross. In time, that process became automated and my consciousness was freed up to look ahead to the 4th piece. Now I plan all 4 and if it's an easy cross I'll use the extra time to poke around to see what F2L pieces are nearby. Not quite x-cross, but still good. You can't swallow it whole or rush it.

 

[JTW2007]

It's all in F2L.

 

[calekewbs]

I have to agree with Teller. I don't know all the OLLs but I know all the Plls, and I'm about where you are. I'm not gonna harp about look ahead or slow down or anything like that, but practice is key. set a certain amount of time each day to practice.

And try to get to the point where you can find an edge pair, and then do it without looking (blindfolded or just eyes closed that way you don't get confused with the other peices) once you get good at this, then try to do it without the blindfold and while doing your pair look for maybe a corner of an F2L pair or an edge, that way you only have to look for one peice instead of two, then work on finding the whole pair, then try to plan it out. It's all about practice. don't sweat it, you'll get it!

 

[tanapak1]

Try And Pratice Some Finger Tricks.

It will Help You!

 

[Weston]

if you can do a PLL time attack under 60 seconds, then your PLL tps is fine.
try to have a sub 7 LL

my breakdown for my solve is about

cross 2 second
f2l 8-9 seconds
oll 2 seconds
PLL 2 seconds

something like that.

just work on f2l a lot

 

[JTW2007]

Yeah, F2L. I have maybe 19 OLLs and 21 PLLs, but I can normally knock out F2L in 10 or less seconds. Occasionally, my LL actually takes longer than my F2L. Try some metronome solving.

 

[Meisen]

Thanks guys (and maybe a girl or two, who knows), loads of good advice! Nothing new i guess, but it's always nice to feel i have personal tutors

You do inspire me to go and practice the right way... Usually i just time my solves again and again. It's rewarding when i get the occasional low 20 and mind numbing frustrating when i get the occasional 40 something. I swear i've been on the edge of eating my cube do to cube-rage some sessions...

Kindof takes the fun out of it, but i'm not a very patient dude, so i'm having a hard time practicing the way i know i should (without the stress of a timer).

Anyway, as stated above: you do inspire me to do it the right way, so thanks to everyone with constructive input

 

[Kolraz]

I swear i've been on the edge of eating my cube do to cube-rage some sessions...

Haha I know how you feel. I often find myself getting frustrated at times, but you have to remember to have fun =)

I can only agree with what many others have already said though, F2l is key. I have been about 19 seconds avg for a while, and I'm only just learning OLL. I don't think it will do you any long term damage though other than initial recognition problems. By the time you reach a 10 second F2L your OLLs will be perfected

 

[calekewbs]

I swear i've been on the edge of eating my cube do to cube-rage some sessions...

Haha I know how you feel. I often find myself getting frustrated at times, but you have to remember to have fun =)

I can only agree with what many others have already said though, F2l is key. I have been about 19 seconds avg for a while, and I'm only just learning OLL. I don't think it will do you any long term damage though other than initial recognition problems. By the time you reach a 10 second F2L your OLLs will be perfected

that is a good point. the fact that he can work on one thing while allowing one thing to improve is useful.

 

[Novriil]

if you can do a PLL time attack under 60 seconds, then your PLL tps is fine.
try to have a sub 7 LL

my breakdown for my solve is about

cross 2 second
f2l 8-9 seconds
oll 2 seconds
PLL 2 seconds

something like that.

just work on f2l a lot

damn.. my tps is bad
1:11 is the best PLL time attack:fp

 

[turtlecutches]

F2l tips

I wonder if i went about becoming a speedcuber the wrong way, because i see a good deal of cubers doing sub 20 solves while still not having learned all oll/pll algorithms.

Maybe it would be better to stay with 2 look until you average around 20 sec, and then go about learning 1 look slowly? That way you'll get really comfortable with all the algorithms and your time wouldnt suffer.

My times suffered a bit (and maybe still do), cause i tried to learn all the algorithms as fast as my brain/hands was able to remember them, but i never took the time to make every single algorithm "second nature". I know each case, i just dont preform them very fast :/

That being said, the biggest time drain in my solves are ofc F2L, not LL, i usually have cross + 4 * F2L pairs done in a tiny bit over 20 sec.

Oh, incase it's not clear for everyone, i'm using the Fridrich system

Anyway, what i wanted to ask was if any of you guys had any opinions on whether my way of "becoming a speedcuber" is inefficient if my goal is to get consistent averages sub 20 sec as fast as possible...?

It can always be that your F2l is slow. I would suggest trying to solve the cube at a solid pace without much delay during the algorithms. Try increasing the pace once this is done. Also if your making your cross with white ignore all edges and corners which have yellow. This goes by opposites. So if your cross is green then ignore all blue edges and corners with blue stickers.

 

[pentrixter]

Look at how cool Lars is when he does a 14s solve. He makes it looks so easy. A lot of sub-20 people I've seen look so frantic when they're solving a cube.

 

[Radu]

Look at how cool Lars is when he does a 14s solve. He makes it looks so easy. A lot of sub-20 people I've seen look so frantic when they're solving a cube.

haha...that's really amazing

 

[nitrocan]

EFFFFF TOOOOOO ELLLLLLL!
then
REE COOG nition.

 

[Inf3rn0]

I think aslong as you practise you'll keep getting better.

 

[pappas]

i think you just need to practise too. i practice lots and use 2 step oll and pll. new av. 23.78