4x4 Race Thread! (30/45/1:00/1:15/1:30/2:00)

lerenard said:
I also have a question, although this may not be the place to ask it (sorry if that's the case). What are the rough equivalencies of the basic 3x3 benchmarks in regards to 4x4?
Like, sub 8 in 3x3 is like sub 30 in 4x4 (I think), but what about sub 15, 20, 30 and 1?
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I did a little study earlier this year:

There is also a plot of 3x3x3 time VS 4x4 times in the WCA stats thread but I haven't got the link.

Have a look at Yau and Hoya as far as methods go for 4x4x4.
 
Logiqx said:
I did a little study earlier this year:

There is also a plot of 3x3x3 time VS 4x4 times in the WCA stats thread but I haven't got the link.

Have a look at Yau and Hoya as far as methods go for 4x4x4.
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Wow! That is exactly what I was looking for, thanks! So, my short-term goal for 3x3 is sub30 (I'm averaging like 33 seconds, and I realize sub-30 isn't even that impressive, so idk why I can't just shave 9% off my time......) so my goal for 4x4 should be sub 2. I think this is also very doable, because I don't have as much practice on 4x4 and so there are lots of tricks I haven't found yet, and my mind isn't used to moving through the steps as fluidly yet.

My problem with those is that if I'm doing reduction I like to solve my edges 3 at a time, and if I'm doing a direct solve, I'm doing it more like Roux, but thanks for the suggestion (:
 
Logiqx said:
There is also K4 to consider if you like a mix of direct solving with block building. :)
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I've looked into k4 as well, but I don't get it. Why would you make the whole first layer without filling in the last two f2l edges? I basically just do roux on a 4x4: solve two opposite centers, solve first 2 blocks, solve remaining centers, solve remaining dedges and I'm in a reduced 3x3 state with first two blocks done and a free m slice. I don't really finish the solve like roux, but that's irrelevant.
 
Round 29! Ends next Thurdsay

1. D2 B F2 U2 R2 F L2 R2 U2 L2 R2 U R' B' U' B D' U' R B' L2 Uw2 F' Rw2 U2 B Uw2 L2 F R F L' Uw' D' L' B Uw2 R Fw R2 D' B' Uw' Fw'
2. F2 D U R2 B2 F2 D' B2 F2 L2 R U' L' B D' R' B Rw2 Uw2 L' D' B2 L' D' R Uw2 L2 Uw2 R2 B' L Fw L B2 Rw' U' D' L2 Uw Rw D
3. B' L2 F2 D2 B U2 B' L2 U2 L2 B' U B2 L' B R2 B2 R F' L2 D Fw2 Uw2 U B' L2 B2 Rw2 B' U' R2 Fw2 U Rw2 R' F Rw B L2 Fw L' Uw2 R' Fw R2
4. B2 D R2 D' L2 B2 L2 D F2 D R2 F' D2 U2 R B L2 F L2 D U' Fw2 R' U2 L2 Uw2 L D2 U' Rw2 U' Fw2 D' L2 Fw' L' B' F' U Fw2 Rw' Uw L' Uw U2 Fw
5. D2 F' U2 F' L2 B2 F R2 D2 U2 F' R' B U' R F2 D2 B' D L R' Uw2 Fw2 L2 B U' F2 D' Fw2 L2 U L2 U Rw F2 U' R B' R Uw Rw' B2 Uw L' Uw Fw' F2
6. B' R2 B2 L' F' D' F2 R' F' R D2 R' D2 R B2 R B2 L2 U2 F2 Fw2 Uw2 L2 F' U2 L B' Uw2 B' L R2 Uw' D' Fw2 L2 F Uw2 Rw' U B' Uw' Fw' D'
7. B' D L' F' L B' U' R L' U' B2 U2 F2 R2 U' R2 U2 L2 U' R2 Uw2 R' Uw2 Rw2 D B2 L2 Fw2 L' B2 L' U Fw2 F' L U2 Fw L' Rw Uw Fw' B2 Uw' B2 L
8. L' D' F2 D2 B L D2 R2 L F' D2 B2 D2 L2 F2 D' F2 U R2 D' R2 Rw2 D Fw2 U2 L2 Fw2 F' D' F' Uw2 F' D' Fw2 L' F' Rw U L2 Fw Uw Rw2 F' L' R2 Fw L2
9. D R D' L' B L D' L' U' D2 F' L2 F' R2 L2 F2 L2 U2 B R2 Rw2 U R Uw2 L' U2 R2 F2 Uw2 B2 L Uw2 Fw' R2 Uw2 F B2 U Uw' F Rw' R2 D Fw U2
10. B' D2 F2 R2 F' L2 D2 R2 F2 L2 U R B' D2 U F U' F R2 F' Uw2 R' Uw2 D Fw2 Rw2 L' U2 R' D' L R2 Fw L Uw2 B2 R2 F L Uw B2 Rw2 R' L F
11. F L D L2 D B U D' B' D2 B2 R' F2 D2 L F2 D2 R2 L' D2 Fw2 L U' Fw2 R2 Uw2 U2 Rw2 Fw2 F2 R2 Fw' D2 Fw2 L' Fw' U' R' U' Rw' Uw R Fw2 D Rw2
12. F2 U' R2 D R2 D B2 D L2 U2 R2 F D L' U2 R' F2 U L2 F' D' Uw2 Fw2 R' U Fw2 Rw2 U' F2 Rw2 D' L' D2 Fw F' L B' Uw2 Fw Uw' Fw' L2 Uw' F2 L2 U2
 
Round 29 - Race to Sub-1:45

Average: 1:48.20 (σ = 10.22)

Time List:
1:44.09, 1:32.51, 1:55.60, 1:57.87, 1:57.29, 1:33.37, 1:29.94, 1:52.19, 2:02.86, 1:39.32, 1:50.32, 1:59.47

Edit: Strewth... 3 race attempts within 0.31s of each other (1:48.38, 1:48.51, 1:48.20). I need to practice!
 
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Round 29 - Race to Sub-2

Average: 2:06.78 (I did the math in my head, don't shoot me if it's wrong.)

Time List: (3:31.70), 1:57.94, (1:47.54), 2:15.24, 2:07.62

You're probably wondering what's up with the first time. I had been doing slow solves for a few hours while doing errands and watching tv, so I didn't think I needed to warm up, but that was my first timed solve of the day. After that I did a lot of timed solves to try and warm up, but I was averaging in the upper 2:30s (yikes). this was using Kenneth's method I linked to earlier which is like direct solving with roux. I switched to redux and was instantly averaging 2 minutes, then I did the other 4 solves. It makes me sad that cooler, more fun methods are slower than boring, crowd following methods, but I suppose that's why the crowd is there in the first place. ):
 
lerenard said:
Round 29 - Race to Sub-2

Average: 2:06.78 (I did the math in my head, don't shoot me if it's wrong.)

Time List: (3:31.70), 1:57.94, (1:47.54), 2:15.24, 2:07.62

You're probably wondering what's up with the first time. I had been doing slow solves for a few hours while doing errands and watching tv, so I didn't think I needed to warm up, but that was my first timed solve of the day. After that I did a lot of timed solves to try and warm up, but I was averaging in the upper 2:30s (yikes). this was using Kenneth's method I linked to earlier which is like direct solving with roux. I switched to redux and was instantly averaging 2 minutes, then I did the other 4 solves. It makes me sad that cooler, more fun methods are slower than boring, crowd following methods, but I suppose that's why the crowd is there in the first place. ):
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You could try Yau or Hoya. They are both crowd following methods, but are more fun to do and faster than redux.
 
Rocky0701 said:
You could try Yau or Hoya. They are both crowd following methods, but are more fun to do and faster than redux.
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So I've spent a few hours doing really slow redux solves and I've found some tricks that make it more fun. My main strategy with centers is to build 2x1 bars, always building two at a time when possible, and three at a time when I can. There are 12 such bars to be made, so this takes 4-6 looks ideally. Then matching up the bars is done very quickly (and oftentimes is done at the same time as building the bars if I see them both.) next I do 6-cycle edges, but I keep track of both ends of the chain (if that makes sense) and then if I notice my cycle is ending I adjust accordingly (still working out the best way to handle each case) then for the 3x3 stage I'm doing a lot of FreeFOP based around 2 or 3 cross edges. I can usually spot OLL parity while forming the last pair and determine whether or not to do vhls. Then I check for PLL parity before I do PLL because sometimes I get the case with two corners swapped and then I have to make a T-perm and so I'm doing PLL twice... Anything I could be doing better without totally switching it up? I tried Hoya and Yau and I don't like them because you switch between edges and centers multiple times and that makes look ahead harder for me.
 
Race to sub 1:10: 1:04.848
1:05.804, 59.453, 1:05.178, (56.089), 1:03.766, 1:01.811, 1:13.445, 59.569, 1:03.861, 1:06.925, (1:18.341), 1:08.670
I have gotten much better at 4x4 this past week. 55 solves into an ao100 I am averaging 1:03.963
 
Round 30! Ends Christmas :)

1. B2 L2 D' F2 R2 D U2 F2 R2 U R' F L' D2 B2 D U2 F' L R2 Fw2 R2 U Fw2 U' Rw2 F' Rw2 B2 L2 D' F' U' Rw U' D R Uw Rw L Uw2 U2 Fw Uw' R
2. B' U2 B U2 F2 R2 U2 B' D2 F D' B' D2 L2 R B2 F' L D' Fw2 D2 U Fw2 Uw2 B F U2 Rw2 U F' D' U Rw U2 F Rw L Uw' Fw R2 B U' F Uw' Rw
3. R2 F2 U B2 D' L2 R2 D2 U' R2 F2 R U2 F R D' U' B' F' R2 Fw2 Rw2 D' U B U B Uw2 Rw2 D' L2 B2 Rw' Fw2 Rw' D2 F U B D Uw' Rw Uw L U2
4. U' D' F' R B2 L' B L' F' D' L2 F2 L2 B' D2 F' L2 Fw2 U' B F Rw2 F L2 Fw2 L2 B Uw2 Rw2 F' L' D' F U' Rw Uw' Fw Uw2 D Rw' Uw' Fw
5. L2 B' U2 R2 B' U2 B F L2 F' U' R2 D L U2 F L2 F R2 B2 Fw2 R' Uw2 B' Rw2 F L Uw2 L2 Fw2 D2 L' B D' F' Uw U2 Fw U Rw2 R2 L Uw D' R
6. R2 D' B2 D B2 U' B2 U2 L2 D L2 R' U2 F' L2 F R2 F R B2 U' Fw2 L' B' Uw2 F' B2 Uw2 D2 L R2 Uw2 R' F' Uw' U2 F2 D B' Uw Rw' Uw Rw2 B Uw'
7. D2 R2 B2 D2 F2 L' B2 F2 R2 U R B' R D' B F' D' R' F' Fw2 D' B Uw2 B' R2 Uw2 D2 Rw2 U Fw2 F' U2 Rw' U Rw2 F' Uw2 Fw' D B Rw' B D R
8. U2 B' D' L2 D2 R D2 F' L' D2 F' D2 B' D2 B' R2 B2 L2 B' D2 Uw2 Fw2 F Uw2 R' L F L' Fw2 U2 L2 Fw2 Uw' Rw2 D' F2 U2 Fw2 Rw Uw U2 R D' Fw U
9. B2 R2 D' R2 U2 B2 F2 L2 R2 D B' R D2 L B D2 B U' R2 F Uw2 F L2 Fw2 D' F' Rw2 Uw2 Fw2 F' D2 R2 U2 Rw' D2 R2 U' Rw Uw2 Fw R2 Fw D' L' Fw L'
10. U2 F2 U' R2 U2 L2 D' R2 U2 F D U B R' D' B' R D' B' Fw2 Uw2 Rw2 D' Rw2 D' B' U' Fw2 U2 B Rw2 U Rw' D F' Rw Uw' L Fw' Uw2 F2 Rw2 F
11. R2 U' L2 U F2 U2 L2 U' R2 B2 F2 R F2 D L2 F L' B2 R B' L2 Rw2 Uw2 D' R2 U' B2 Rw2 Fw2 B2 U' L' U2 Fw U L2 D B L' Uw Fw' U' Fw2 Rw2 Uw L
12. L B' D2 F2 R U' B U D L' U2 R2 D F2 L2 D2 B2 L2 Rw2 Uw2 U' B2 U' B' Rw2 U2 Fw2 Uw2 F2 D' B' R U' Rw' U Fw' L2 Uw' R Fw2 Uw B2 Rw'
 
Round 30 - Race to Sub 1:45

Average: 1:43.41 (σ = 5.93)

Time List:
1:36.27, 1:32.27, 1:38.72, 1:58.76, 1:35.63, 1:47.44, 1:49.70, 1:53.03, 1:46.63, 1:39.62, 1:41.30, 1:45.75
 
Round 30
Race to Sub-2 (For Now)
Average: 1:43.668
Times: (3:02.966), 1:48.335, 1:54.401, 1:34.586, 1:38.251, 1:37.251, 1:59.085, 1:34.186, 1:42.018, (1:32.235), 1:53.602, 1:34.968
On the first one I tried orange cross. Didn't work.
 
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