How many algorithms can you memorize effectively per day?

[thatboyahcubah]

So, I'm not sure if there's a post about this yet (searched but didn't find), if there is, apologies, but how many algorithms can you personally memorize per day? And retain the algs.
If you're wondering why I'm asking, I've decided to choose to choose "a fate worse than death" and begin learning full ZBLL. I'll be starting with COLL, by the way. If there's any people on this forum who have actually done this, I'd be interested in learning how long it took you to memorize them and how many you memorized per day. thanks

 

[Petro Leum]

so, memorizing algs alone? i have learn COLL and some ZBLL already, and at the beginning of the week, i memorized all 27 winter variation algs in 2 days. linking the algorithms to the corresponding case pattern and getting the execution into muscle memory takes around a week for every single alg for me (however im of course practising the whole set at once... if i do too many, like 27 p), it takes a little bit longer because i tend to confuse patterns/algs. i estimate for whole winter variation including mirrors for 4 sides and some extra algs for onehanded will take me around a month). ill come back to you later, g2g

 

[Kirjava]

Oh hey it's this thread again.

 

[thatboyahcubah]

Oh hey it's this thread again.

sowwy

 

[Petro Leum]

Oh hey it's this thread again.

is their an algorithm-learning-help-thread? might as well look at that then / incorporate this one into it

well, algorithm learning for me goes like this:

1. chose the cases you want to learn
2. try some and chose the best alg for you
3. learn the "logic" of the algorithm, that is, be able to reconstruct it by looking at which pieces and pairs move where etc.
4. learn the pattern of the case so you can match the alg to the pattern
5. get proper fingertricks to your alg and drill it for muscle memory
6. practice recognition and execution by solving or using LL-only-scrambles

I can usually do step 1-3 for 20+ algorithms in one day, however, you're then left with alot more work to do for the following days, because if you dont practice recognition and execution enough for all of your algs, you will forget some or mix them up or youre not able to use the right alg on the right pattern. this process, i feel, takes very very long for me depending on how frequently a case appears while solving, it takes me 1 week - 1 month to properly incorporate a case and an alg into my speedsolves. Again, this process goes for multiple algs.

 

[stoic]

it takes me 1 week - 1 month to properly incorporate a case and an alg into my speedsolves

I find something similar. As a rule of thumb, I generally take over a month. I'm interested in the process by which something learned in short-term memory transfers to long-term. If you learn a lot of algs in a short space of time you definitely run the risk of forgetting them if you don't have a good memorisation process.

 

[Petro Leum]

I find something similar. As a rule of thumb, I generally take over a month. I'm interested in the process by which something learned in short-term memory transfers to long-term. If you learn a lot of algs in a short space of time you definitely run the risk of forgetting them if you don't have a good memorisation process.

i has this happen to me when i attempted to learn full 2GLL. the fact that all the algs are extremely similar didnt necessarily help it :>

 

[Deleted member 36445]

there is this guy who learned full OLL in 11 hours

 

[jeff081692]

The best way I have found to learn a huge amount of information in a short span is to use spaced repetition software. This way you can over learn the amount of algs you can mentally take in a day and over time get practice on the ones that you have trouble with. This is if you really want to stretch your brain and just learn the algs as quickly as possible because it requires a lot more practice after just learning the algs to be able to recognize them efficiently.

When I was learning WV I made an anki deck specifically for it and used cube explorer to create scrambles for each case so that when testing myself I couldn't guess the alg. Then I used the program to give me random flashcards with a scramble for a case and I would try to recognize and solve the case as quickly as possible. So I could practice every single WV case in the span of 2 minutes or so. Then I would repeat again and again and each time I repeated going through the set I could see my recognition for the cases become faster. After about 10 repeats or so I could recognize any WV case in a solve without any noticeable pause to figure out the case. And so when I decide to learn the rest of VLS I would take it one set at a time until I can recall and execute each set at an acceptable level.

The alternative is to learn lots of algs and do lots of solves but I prefer having them in anki decks because instead of doing 50 solves and getting practice with 50 different cases, you could drill yourself on over 100 cases in much less time making it possible for you to maintain good accuracy and recognition in your normal solves. Also the spaced repetition aspect of it will make sure that you don't forget any algs even if you don't wish to drill all of a certain set at once.

There is a limit to how much we will retain in a short span of time so learn a little then take a break and then quiz your self on what you went over last time and repeat and you can learn as much as you want overtime.

 

[EzCuber]

there is this guy who learned full OLL in 11 hours

Well it is OLL =P it's pretty easy to get down. I learned like 15 algs in 4 hours

 

[TanookiTrev]

This sounds like a good idea. Would you be willing to share the deck you made? I couldn't find one online and it would save me the trouble of making my own

 

[jeff081692]

This sounds like a good idea. Would you be willing to share the deck you made? I couldn't find one online and it would save me the trouble of making my own

Sure, give me a day or so and I will figure out a way to share it. I need to make some changes to it first like rename it to VLS and make the tags WV so that it becomes simple to add more cases for full VLS and then each subgroup is organized by tag in case you want to learn everything.

I imagine for ZB this process is even easier since there are multiple algs for each case listed already and taking the inverse of an alg you are not using would be enough.

 

[Phillip1847]

Sure, give me a day or so and I will figure out a way to share it. I need to make some changes to it first like rename it to VLS and make the tags WV so that it becomes simple to add more cases for full VLS and then each subgroup is organized by tag in case you want to learn everything.

I imagine for ZB this process is even easier since there are multiple algs for each case listed already and taking the inverse of an alg you are not using would be enough.

Wait, how do you create cards?
I mean quickly. For COLL I've just saved images, uploaded and added cases by hand?

 

[jeff081692]

I don't use images. The front of a card has a set up alg for example R' D2 L2 U L2 U' D2 R U2 and the solution would be (U2) R' U' R2 U' R2 U2 R. This way you don't know what case is coming and you can practice recognition. One step further would be do the set up alg then move the U layer randomly to get even more accurate to what you would expect in a real solve.

Unfortunately I only have 18 of the 27 WV in this format but it's enough to see the idea. I took a break from learning algs because I am focusing on F2L stuff so I don't know when I will pick this project back up. It is probably easier to just take the inverse of the alg for set up moves but I don't like doing that since it's a hint to the solution but it may work for you and would make creating cards much easier.

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/681564479
Hope that link works.

 

[Millet]

I am also in the process of learning ZBLL, it is really fun actually, especially once you know a handful of cases that you can utilize.

Since once of my cubing goals are to be ambidextrous, I have decided to preform all mirrored cases with mirrored algorithms. One algorithm and its mirror per day seems like a good balance, since theres a lot more to learn than just learning the algorithm, as explained by Petro Leum.

I can also strongly recommend writing everything that you learn down (algorithm, picture for the case, comment, how to recognize) in some way. I use excel. It gives your brain something to latch onto when memorizing a lot of cases and it also helps to distinguish between similar cases.

 

[QQW]

I'm too lazy I learn 2 algs a day(OLL) and it takes me like 10 minutes. As soon as I learn them I can use them in speedsolves. I'm not that fast i avg 20.5

 

[FailCuber]

I learnt all the PLL's except for the G perms any tips for memorizing them?

 

[Deleted member 36445]

I learnt all the PLL's except for the G perms any tips for memorizing them?

I learned only (R2 u R' U R' U' R u' R2 F' U F) then inverted/mirrored/inverted the mirror on the paper.

 

[Rocky0701]

I learnt all the PLL's except for the G perms any tips for memorizing them?

Learn one and then the others are pretty easy because they are just mirrored and inverted like Flipemtx said. They are also pretty easy to recognize too, despite the fact that everyone says they are hard. They are really pretty easy.

 

[FailCuber]

Also, where do you usually learn the algorithims? I learn them from badmephisto but somepeople said it's outdated