The "Why I hate this event..." and "Why this event should be added" thread

[Deleted member 19792]

Physical, of course.

Right now, all the physical 15 puzzles are terrible. If Moyu ever makes a 15 puzzle, I think this would actually be awesome.
If it becomes popular enough, I think the 15 puzzle actually has good potential to become an official event.
It used to be on the UWRs back in the day.

The metal 15 puzzles with lube are actually pretty decent.. The plastic ones are a different story.

Clock is not necessarily a twisty puzzle, and magics were removed because they weren't really puzzles.

Also, it would take time to go under 10 seconds for 15 puzzle. (Fringe or LBL) with 2H. OH (Look at Ben's video) would be pretty weird but fun to get good times with..

 

[Carrot]

Physical, of course.

Right now, all the physical 15 puzzles are terrible. ...

We already have enough events under 10 seconds, so perhaps a 24 puzzle would be a better idea.

I used to average sub 10 with my physical 15 puzzle that I bought for less than 0.5 USD in Thailand. That's like like 10 tile slides per second (~5-7 slides per second), I doubt I managed to do that with a terrible 15 puzzle... (But I agree that it's hard to find the good ones)

Also, 24 puzzle would be awesome! given you can solve 15 puzzles in 8 seconds I get that a 25 can be solved in around 17.5 seconds. (just scaling up distances and pieces)

EDIT:

The metal 15 puzzles with lube are actually pretty decent.. The plastic ones are a different story.

Clock is not necessarily a twisty puzzle, and magics were removed because they weren't really puzzles.

Also, it would take time to go under 10 seconds for 15 puzzle. (Fringe or LBL) with 2H. OH (Look at Ben's video) would be pretty weird but fun to get good times with..

I still need to try the metal ones! (but I can't convince myself to pay that much, it costs like 50 times more than the decent plastic ones haha)

 

[~Adam~]

I would be happy to lose feet, clock and switch pyraminx for corner turn octahedron when records are stable.

I also think team BLD (if it can work), 2x2 MBLD with 10 min time limit, 2x3x3 and 3x3x5 would make good events but am content with the current selection of events overall and IMO nothing really needs changing ATM.

 

[Deleted member 19792]

I used to average sub 10 with my physical 15 puzzle that I bought for less than 0.5 USD in Thailand. That's like like 10 tile slides per second (~5-7 slides per second), I doubt I managed to do that with a terrible 15 puzzle... (But I agree that it's hard to find the good ones)

Also, 24 puzzle would be awesome! given you can solve 15 puzzles in 8 seconds I get that a 25 can be solved in around 17.5 seconds. (just scaling up distances and pieces)

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I still need to try the metal ones! (but I can't convince myself to pay that much, it costs like 50 times more than the decent plastic ones haha)

You can order from Barnes and Noble. It should show one with a envelope pouch somewhere in the box. It has a decent antipop mech too xD
Lube up the bottom of the piece, rather than the freepiece on the puzzle.

Oh, by the way, my PB single on the 15 puzzle physical was 7-8 seconds.... But since there weren't really any proper scrambles, I would not count that as a real PB.

 

[Rocky0701]

Why should it be removed? There isn't any problem with 2x2 single. And 2x2 singles would still happen anyway. Removing singles from the record list is pointless.

Yeah, even though 2x2 singles are mostly luck, they aren't hurting anything, and don't take any longer to judge. Plus they are kinda fun.

 

[megaminxwin]

Feet needs to be removed, its such a stupid event anyway. If it was going to be replaced with anything, I'd go with 15 puzzle. It's quick, it's easy to scramble, it has a different scrambled state each time (so not like magic/master magic), and it's a lot of fun to do. Everything else can stay, they all have good reasons, but feet doesn't have any good reason these days...

 

[Rocky0701]

Feet needs to be removed, its such a stupid event anyway. If it was going to be replaced with anything, I'd go with 15 puzzle. It's quick, it's easy to scramble, it has a different scrambled state each time (so not like magic/master magic), and it's a lot of fun to do. Everything else can stay, they all have good reasons, but feet doesn't have any good reason these days...

I agree that feet needs to be removed, but 15 puzzles should not be added. It isn't a twisty puzzle. There is a reason that it is called the world CUBING association.

 

[TinaIsAwesome]

...but 15 puzzles should not be added. It isn't a twisty puzzle.

I completely agree with this except I don't care whether or not feet is an event.

 

[Mikel]

I agree that feet needs to be removed, but 15 puzzles should not be added. It isn't a twisty puzzle. There is a reason that it is called the world CUBING association.

The WCA could change their mission to allow twisty and slidey puzzles. I would be for the addition of 15 puzzle. I think it would attract non-cubers because it is 2D and easy to learn. The 15 puzzle is also very well-known outside of the speedcubing community. No one I know outside of cubing has heard of a pyraminx, Square-1, Rubik's clock, megaminx, or even 4x4+ cubes, but I'm sure a lot of people have heard or seen the 15 puzzle.

 

[Deleted member 19792]

The WCA could change their mission to allow twisty and slidey puzzles. I would be for the addition of 15 puzzle. I think it would attract non-cubers because it is 2D and easy to learn. The 15 puzzle is also very well-known outside of the speedcubing community. No one I know outside of cubing has heard of a pyraminx, Square-1, Rubik's clock, megaminx, or even 4x4+ cubes, but I'm sure a lot of people have heard or seen the 15 puzzle.

It might attract more puzzle enthusiasts, but then we will see more new competitors choosing 15 puzzle over 3x3, which was the original puzzle introduced in 1982. Also, I have met people that are not speedcubers point out certain puzzles. (2x2-5x5, Pyraminx, and Megaminx.) Not "sooper roobiks cyoob."

 

[DoctorPepper]

Im probably in the minority here but 8x8 would be cool.

However i guess people who are good at 6-7 would be the same people at 8.

 

[Lucas Garron]

The metal 15 puzzles with lube are actually pretty decent.. The plastic ones are a different story.

I have one of the standard "nice" metal ones, but I've never tried lubing. Does CRC work well?

15 puzzles should not be added. It isn't a twisty puzzle. There is a reason that it is called the world CUBING association.

Actually, it's the "world CUBE association".

9a is very specific right now, but there's no reason that can't change if the community is interested in closely related puzzles. (However, such a change would need a *good* reason.)

 

[Deleted member 19792]

I have one of the standard "nice" metal ones, but I've never tried lubing. Does CRC work well?

I haven't tried it. Out of the three I have had, the first one was great with the wear in. (Had it for six years.) The second one had vegetable oil in it, since I didn't know lube for puzzles existed (This was four years ago.) And the third one had cubicle lube and it was decent. (Three years ago)

 

[Fawn]

switch pyraminx for corner turn octahedron

i actually really like this. I don't do pyraminx, so whether it should be removed or jot isn't my concern. But I like the idea of adding corner-turning octahedron. I've had one for like 6 years. I even made my own algorithms :'(

 

[Carrot]

Actually, it's the "world CUBE association".

~link that says otherwise~

So no Tetrahedrons? Dodecahedrons? weird 2D puzzles called clock? pillowed 7x7x7s?

 

[qwertyt1]

You should find the most popular ones and add a poll

 

[AlexMaass]

i actually really like this. I don't do pyraminx, so whether it should be removed or jot isn't my concern. But I like the idea of adding corner-turning octahedron. I've had one for like 6 years. I even made my own algorithms :'(

Its actually pretty much the megaminx version of pyraminx actually, I would be sad if pyraminx was removed, its not a bad event.

Also, wouldn't it be a good idea to make a slidey puzzle association instead of the WCA adding it as an event?

 

[Rocky0701]

I have one of the standard "nice" metal ones, but I've never tried lubing. Does CRC work well?



Actually, it's the "world CUBE association".

9a is very specific right now, but there's no reason that can't change if the community is interested in closely related puzzles. (However, such a change would need a *good* reason.)

Oh yeah, sorry. Also i really doubt that the community would be very interested in adding 15 puzzle, i may be wrong though.

 

[10461394944000]

Oh yeah, sorry. Also i really doubt that the community would be very interested in adding 15 puzzle, i may be wrong though.

I wouldn't be interested in adding it, so I doubt many other people would be.

 

[Deleted member 19792]

We'd have to wait and see. I remember writing a really yucky proposal months back....