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[MarcelP]

Inspired by Mark's progress I did two Ao50 today. Both where 23.XX (low).. I did them with my Weilong V2. I considder that my new main. Before I could not get any decent average with any Weilong. But after I did the sub 10 video I realised that it goes easy with a Weilong and very hard with any other cube. So I used nothing but Weilong V2 for a few days. And finally I start to get about the same averages with my Weilong. I will continue for a while with the Weilong. I really needed to get used to the speed of the cube. I still miss the non locky/catch of the LiYing and Gan III though. That fit's my drunken monkey style better. But I realise now that Weilong is needed to get sub 10 LOL..

I got a nice 21 secs average on video doing the Ao50's. I performed two wrong PLL's in there so technically it is a DNF

I finished with a whopping full step 15.06 I should get more of these.. While 17.XX are becomming more common, 15 and 16's are very rare..

EDIT: As it turned out that 15.06 was my scramble from my single PB. I had placed my first Ao50 in a text file and imported for the next Ao50. I was planning to do the two Ao50 with different cubes to see if I am slower on the Weilong. There were scrambles from a previous session in the file. LOL.. so the 15.06 was not that special..

 

[MarcelP]

@Mark,

I think my last layer is slower than yours. Slower than Schmidts for sure. I just did an Ao12 to see how fast my last layer is. Could you (and anyone else who care to test their last layer) do these scrambles and tell me your times:

Spoiler

Fridrich - OLL training
Mar 26, 2014 6:21:09 PM - 6:26:26 PM

Mean: 6.90
Average: 6.88
Best time: 5.45
Median: 6.70
Worst time: 8.59
Standard deviation: 0.86

Best average of 5: 6.42
2-6 - 6.71 (5.45) 6.04 6.50 (7.17)

Best average of 12: 6.88
1-12 - (8.59) 6.71 (5.45) 6.04 6.50 7.17 7.00 7.93 6.68 6.31 8.04 6.42

1. 8.59 U2 F2 U' F2 R2 D B2 D B2 D2 R' U2 B' R B R' U2 R'
2. 6.71 U2 L2 F2 U F2 U L2 U' L2 U' L' F U L F' L' U' L'
3. 5.45 R2 D B2 U' B2 R2 D' F2 U B2 F2 R' U R B U' L' B L2 U2 L'
4. 6.04 U2 F2 L2 D R2 D' L2 D R2 D' F' U R U' R' F'
5. 6.50 U2 L2 B2 U F2 U' B2 U F2 D U' L' U L D' L' U' L'
6. 7.17 L2 D2 R2 D' F2 D' L2 D' B2 L2 D' B R B' D2 U' F2 L' U' L'
7. 7.00 D2 L2 D2 R2 U L2 F2 D F2 L2 U F L2 F R L2 F' R B2
8. 7.93 B2 D' B2 U' B2 D2 F2 D R2 B2 R2 F L' F2 R F R2 U2 F2 L'
9. 6.68 F2 L2 U L2 U2 R2 D' B2 D R2 U2 R' F' R U' F2 L' F L'
10. 6.31 F2 L2 D2 R2 D' L2 D R2 D' L2 D R' B' R D2 L2 F U2 F
11. 8.04 U' L2 F2 U' L2 D2 B2 R2 U' R2 B2 R B U' R' D2 L F' U' L'
12. 6.42 F2 U' R2 D2 L2 B2 D L2 D R2 U2 F' U L' U2 L U' F

 

[pipkiksass]

@Mark,

I think my last layer is slower than yours. Slower than Schmidts for sure. I just did an Ao12 to see how fast my last layer is. Could you (and anyone else who care to test their last layer) do these scrambles and tell me your times:

Spoiler

Fridrich - OLL training
Mar 26, 2014 6:21:09 PM - 6:26:26 PM

Mean: 6.90
Average: 6.88
Best time: 5.45
Median: 6.70
Worst time: 8.59
Standard deviation: 0.86

Best average of 5: 6.42
2-6 - 6.71 (5.45) 6.04 6.50 (7.17)

Best average of 12: 6.88
1-12 - (8.59) 6.71 (5.45) 6.04 6.50 7.17 7.00 7.93 6.68 6.31 8.04 6.42

1. 8.59 U2 F2 U' F2 R2 D B2 D B2 D2 R' U2 B' R B R' U2 R'
2. 6.71 U2 L2 F2 U F2 U L2 U' L2 U' L' F U L F' L' U' L'
3. 5.45 R2 D B2 U' B2 R2 D' F2 U B2 F2 R' U R B U' L' B L2 U2 L'
4. 6.04 U2 F2 L2 D R2 D' L2 D R2 D' F' U R U' R' F'
5. 6.50 U2 L2 B2 U F2 U' B2 U F2 D U' L' U L D' L' U' L'
6. 7.17 L2 D2 R2 D' F2 D' L2 D' B2 L2 D' B R B' D2 U' F2 L' U' L'
7. 7.00 D2 L2 D2 R2 U L2 F2 D F2 L2 U F L2 F R L2 F' R B2
8. 7.93 B2 D' B2 U' B2 D2 F2 D R2 B2 R2 F L' F2 R F R2 U2 F2 L'
9. 6.68 F2 L2 U L2 U2 R2 D' B2 D R2 U2 R' F' R U' F2 L' F L'
10. 6.31 F2 L2 D2 R2 D' L2 D R2 D' L2 D R' B' R D2 L2 F U2 F
11. 8.04 U' L2 F2 U' L2 D2 B2 R2 U' R2 B2 R B U' R' D2 L F' U' L'
12. 6.42 F2 U' R2 D2 L2 B2 D L2 D R2 U2 F' U L' U2 L U' F

I'll try this in a bit - never done any work on my last layer!

Do you inspect for LL scrambles? How about rotating before timer starts?

 

[MarcelP]

I'll try this in a bit - never done any work on my last layer!

Do you inspect for LL scrambles? How about rotating before timer starts?

I hardly inspect, but you can inspect if you want. But no rotation. In my PPT I set inspection time 'Off'.

 

[kcl]

2.60, 2.75, 2.85, 2.55, 3.25, 3.54, 3.47, (3.63), 3.13, (2.40), 3.25, 2.80= 3.02 ao12
faster than my normal LL, there were some easy ones in there.

 

[pipkiksass]

I hardly inspect, but you can inspect if you want. But no rotation. In my PPT I set inspection time 'Off'.

Thanks - will do this tonight. Over the next few weeks I'll be trying to learn my remaining OLLs - I'll be interested to see how much difference there is between my 2-look and 1-look OLL times.

 

[MarcelP]

2.60, 2.75, 2.85, 2.55, 3.25, 3.54, 3.47, (3.63), 3.13, (2.40), 3.25, 2.80= 3.02 ao12
faster than my normal LL, there were some easy ones in there.

Wow.. I wish I could do that... really.. I would be sooo sub 20.

 

[TDM]

2.60, 2.75, 2.85, 2.55, 3.25, 3.54, 3.47, (3.63), 3.13, (2.40), 3.25, 2.80= 3.02 ao12
faster than my normal LL, there were some easy ones in there.

Wow, that's fast... I just tried a LL Ao12 (I average ~15) and got this:
6.95, 5.97, 7.65, 6.74, 3.00[ELL], 5.17, 5.18, 7.03, 6.69, 6.59, 3.63[2l2GLL], 7.91 = 6.16

5. (3.00[ELL]) R2 F2 R2 U2 R2 F2 R2 D' U' L2 D L' R F' L2 F L R'
11. 3.63[2l2GLL] L2 F' D2 B' D2 F' D2 F D2 L2 F U' F U' B F'

These were the only easy ones there; all others were normal. No inspection. Is my LL particularly slow for my speed? I do so many F2L tricks I think my F2L is getting too fast (at least when I can actually look ahead...). I've had one solve before with a sub-5 F2L and it was still sup-13.

 

[kcl]

Wow, that's fast... I just tried a LL Ao12 (I average ~15) and got this:
6.95, 5.97, 7.65, 6.74, 3.00[ELL], 5.17, 5.18, 7.03, 6.69, 6.59, 3.63[2l2GLL], 7.91 = 6.16

5. (3.00[ELL]) R2 F2 R2 U2 R2 F2 R2 D' U' L2 D L' R F' L2 F L R'
11. 3.63[2l2GLL] L2 F' D2 B' D2 F' D2 F D2 L2 F U' F U' B F'

These were the only easy ones there; all others were normal. No inspection. Is my LL particularly slow for my speed? I do so many F2L tricks I think my F2L is getting too fast (at least when I can actually look ahead...). I've had one solve before with a sub-5 F2L and it was still sup-13.

Sounds like LL is your weak spot, it's the same for me.

 

[MarcelP]

Wow, that's fast... I just tried a LL Ao12 (I average ~15) and got this:
6.95, 5.97, 7.65, 6.74, 3.00[ELL], 5.17, 5.18, 7.03, 6.69, 6.59, 3.63[2l2GLL], 7.91 = 6.16

5. (3.00[ELL]) R2 F2 R2 U2 R2 F2 R2 D' U' L2 D L' R F' L2 F L R'
11. 3.63[2l2GLL] L2 F' D2 B' D2 F' D2 F D2 L2 F U' F U' B F'

These were the only easy ones there; all others were normal. No inspection. Is my LL particularly slow for my speed? I do so many F2L tricks I think my F2L is getting too fast (at least when I can actually look ahead...). I've had one solve before with a sub-5 F2L and it was still sup-13.

My score was 6.90 and I average 23. Looks like you should be faster on LL right?

 

[TDM]

Sounds like LL is your weak spot, it's the same for me.

lol, really? I thought something like 4 seconds would be good enough at your speed, and even if 3 was faster than average I can't imagine easy scrambles making that much of a difference, so I'd guess 4 would be what you average.

My score was 6.90 and I average 23. Looks like you should be faster on LL right?

Yes... but I'm not entirely sure if OLL or PLL is worse for me. My OLL is still half 2-look, but my PLL still feels as if it's the weakest part of my solves. I was going to upload an average and post it in the solve critique thread as soon as I can find a good camera angle... only problem is that's hard in my room. I might have to do it somewhere else.

 

[kcl]

lol, really? I thought something like 4 seconds would be good enough at your speed, and even if 3 was faster than average I can't imagine easy scrambles making that much of a difference, so I'd guess 4 would be what you average.

Yes... but I'm not entirely sure if OLL or PLL is worse for me. My OLL is still half 2-look, but my PLL still feels as if it's the weakest part of my solves. I was going to upload an average and post it in the solve critique thread as soon as I can find a good camera angle... only problem is that's hard in my room. I might have to do it somewhere else.

No haha. My last layer is hardly even sub 4 most of the time. I average just barely sub 10, my f2l is 5-6 seconds. I know I can shave a bit off of my LL.

 

[Schmidt]

i really need to work on my cross
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llDV-RoqO4k

 

[TDM]

No haha. My last layer is hardly even sub 4 most of the time. I average just barely sub 10, my f2l is 5-6 seconds. I know I can shave a bit off of my LL.

Oh I thought you averaged 11-12 :fp In that case you definitely should improve LL.

 

[kcl]

Oh I thought you averaged 11-12 :fp In that case you definitely should improve LL.

I did XD

I dropped over a second in the last month. It's pretty crazy.

 

[TDM]

I did XD

I dropped over a second in the last month. It's pretty crazy.

Same... after no improvement for months. I don't improve consistently, but instea in sudden jumps of ~1.5 seconds every couple of months. It's been like that since I was averaging 23. Because of the gaps I improve slower than you... maybe if you stop cubing for half a year I could catch up?

 

[kcl]

Same... after no improvement for months. I don't improve consistently, but instea in sudden jumps of ~1.5 seconds every couple of months. It's been like that since I was averaging 23. Because of the gaps I improve slower than you... maybe if you stop cubing for half a year I could catch up?

Probably . You have patience that I don't for dedicated practice lol.

 

[TDM]

Probably . You have patience that I don't for dedicated practice lol.

I don't really do 'practise', I just solve repeatedly, like many people do. I know that both that and my physical dysabilities are slowing my improvement, but I don't really care about speed. I do improve, but the main reason why I do cubing is that it's something that I enjoy and (probably the only thing) I'm good at.

 

[moralsh]

I'm definitely slower than you Marcel but our LL is somehow similar. Do you know full OLL? (I don't)
Ao12: 7.09
Best Ao5: 6.6
8.09, 8.20, 5.85, 5.87, 5.47, 11.36, 8.74, 6.91, 6.42, 4.40, 8.79, 8.51, 6.17

 

[kcl]

I don't really do 'practise', I just solve repeatedly, like many people do. I know that both that and my physical dysabilities are slowing my improvement, but I don't really care about speed. I do improve, but the main reason why I do cubing is that it's something that I enjoy and (probably the only thing) I'm good at.

Oh that's what I do too heh.. I basically improve faster than most because I do like 400 solves per day which is apparently not normal.