Roux Misoriented Centers Table

[TheNextFeliks]

I don't understand this. I do the alg but then what? It is confusing me a lot.

 

[Athefre]

But I dont understand what explain G and P? (under algorithm). For example: G8 P7

G stands for Guaranteed. Meaning the alg will always solve the case in at least that number of moves. P is Potential, meaning if the UL and UR edges are in the right place the case will be solved in that smaller number of moves. You can actually ignore this G and P stuff. It's only there so I can keep track of how many moves in which my current alg solves the case.

I understand this. I do the alg but then what? It is confusing me a lot.

In the topic post I mention that it doesn't always simply solve the case. It often leaves you with a three misoriented on U state so you can finish UL and UR how you want.

If you have examples of what you are having an issue with, I would love to help.

Early next year I'll get started on simplifying this.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

G stands for Guaranteed. Meaning the alg will always solve the case in at least that number of moves. P is Potential, meaning if the UL and UR edges are in the right place the case will be solved in that smaller number of moves. You can actually ignore this G and P stuff. It's only there so I can keep track of how many moves in which my current alg solves the case.



In the topic post I mention that it doesn't always simply solve the case. It often leaves you with a three misoriented on U state so you can finish UL and UR how you want.

If you have examples of what you are having an issue with, I would love to help.

Early next year I'll get started on simplifying this.

Ok. I'll post an example tomorrow.

 

[Renslay]

I don't understand a few things. For example, how is it possible that F3 and G3 differ so much? If I have an F3, and I do a U', I'll get G3, won't I?

 

[pijok]

I don't understand a few things. For example, how is it possible that F3 and G3 differ so much? If I have an F3, and I do a U', I'll get G3, won't I?

Notice the relative position of the corners. (There are 4 possible positions of the corners but athefre reduced it to opposite neutral)

Here are all possible configurations. You can see what G/P means and how F3 and G3 differ:

1) Correct corners:
Setup for F3[G11]: U' M2 U M2 U M' U M' U2 M U M U M U2 M
Solution: M' U M' U2 M U' M' U' M' * U2 M2 (11)

2) U2 offset:
Setup for F3[P9]: U' M2 U' M2 U M' U M' U2 M U M U M U2 M
Solution: M' U M' U2 M U' M' U' M * (9)

3) U' offset
Setup for G3[P9]: M' U M' U2 M U M U M U2 M
Solution: M' U2 M' U M' * U M' U2 M (9)

4) U offset
Setup for G3[P9]: U' M2 U2 M2 U M' U M' U2 M U M U M U2 M
Solution: M' U2 M' U M' * U M U2 M (9)

* means that all edges are oriented
(Notice that in this examples UR always is on DF. However you don't have to care about that, because this system is opposite color neutral. If you have 3) with UL on DF just solve it like 4))

For G3 both possible corner configurations lead to a 9 move solution. Thats why G=P.
Since the EO for F3 and G3 is the same, you can also use G3 to solve the F3 case. But then you all the time need 2 extra moves to insert UL UR => F3 would have G=P=11.

If you understand how EO with misoriented centers is working, it shouldn't be a big problem to understand the table.

Well that was my way to look at this stuff. Hopefully it helps

 

[Renslay]

Notice the relative position of the corners. (There are 4 possible positions of the corners but athefre reduced it to opposite neutral)

Here are all possible configurations. You can see what G/P means and how F3 and G3 differ:

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Well that was my way to look at this stuff. Hopefully it helps

Aaaaaw! Okay, now I understand it. So, technically, the corners have to be aligned to the blocks exactly or rotated by only a U2.



One more question: I assume it would be a hell of a work to learn all the cases. Which cases should I learn? For example, all the k,l,m,n?

 

[Athefre]

One more question: I assume it would be a hell of a work to learn all the cases. Which cases should I learn? For example, all the k,l,m,n?

Only learn the ones that are easy to recognize. I made a quick list of some that are useful. Others not listed can be learned later as you get better at tracking LSE during CMLL.

a8, a10, a12, a14
c4-7
d5, d7
e4, e6
f6, f7, f10, f12, f13, f15
g5, g6, g9, g12, g14, g15
h4, h5, h9, h10, h11, h12
i4, i7, i8, i9, i10, i15
j1, j2
Be familiar with all of k, l, m, and n.
o1, o3
p2, p3, p8-p15
q1-7
r2, r4, r7

All of the s cases are useful, especially the ones that are easy to recognize and orient all six edges in just five moves. Those are s4-15.

 

[Renslay]

Is N10 okay?

Here is a scramble:
U' M U2 M' U M U' M U

This is N10, which says: U M but I fail to see how it works.

However, if I do a U2, I get L8: U M' U M', which is indeed seems a good solution (continue with U' M U2 M' U).

So, shouldn't N10 be U' M' U M' ? Or do I misunderstood something again?

EDIT:
:facepalm: never mind. This is NOT N10... Mis-looked the orientation of DF.

 

[Athefre]

New Document

I have transferred the table in this topic to a Google Sheets document. This topic is the first time that EOLR was developed. Back then I called it "Roux Misoriented Centers Table", which wasn't the perfect name. Misoriented centers was only in the name because it often take advantage of misoriented centers to find the best orientation. It sets up to an arrow to where the user either places the UL+UR edges on the D layer or directly solves the UL+UR edges. The algorithms in the tables could likely be better because I found them all without the use of a computer. Plus, there are a few more documents that have been developed by the community since then and given the name EOLR. Those surely have better algorithms. I just wanted to preserve this for historical reasons.

The images in the original post no longer work. Possibly because the forum now has a 20 image limit for individual posts. I would have edited the original post to avoid a multi-year bump, but wanted to preserve the post as it is and not have a "Last edited" note past the year that it was developed. Also to avoid it looking as if I added anything to the development.

 

[abunickabhi]

New Document

I have transferred the table in this topic to a Google Sheets document. This topic is the first time that EOLR was developed. Back then I called it "Roux Misoriented Centers Table", which wasn't the perfect name. Misoriented centers was only in the name because it often take advantage of misoriented centers to find the best orientation. It sets up to an arrow to where the user either places the UL+UR edges on the D layer or directly solves the UL+UR edges. The algorithms in the tables could likely be better because I found them all without the use of a computer. Plus, there are a few more documents that have been developed by the community since then and given the name EOLR. Those surely have better algorithms. I just wanted to preserve this for historical reasons.

The images in the original post no longer work. Possibly because the forum now has a 20 image limit for individual posts. I would have edited the original post to avoid a multi-year bump, but wanted to preserve the post as it is and not have a "Last edited" note past the year that it was developed. Also to avoid it looking as if I added anything to the development.

Wow this project has been created 9 years back. The new document that you shared is not publicly shared, request access are to be pressed for every user.

The images in the original post of this thread do not load. EOLR is much easier to say, compared to the name Roux Misoriented Centers Table. Have you updated the algs as well?

 

[Athefre]

Wow this project has been created 9 years back. The new document that you shared is not publicly shared, request access are to be pressed for every user.

The images in the original post of this thread do not load. EOLR is much easier to say, compared to the name Roux Misoriented Centers Table. Have you updated the algs as well?

Interesting. I just updated the permissions so everyone should be able to view now. I only transferred the table. The algs weren't updated. If someone wants to learn a lot of EOLR, there are more optimized resources now. I kept everything the way it originally was only for historical purposes. To preserve the first developed EOLR. Even if it didn't have that name back then.