Feasibility of Using ZZ as a Beginner's Method

[~Adam~]

I've taught about 20 people and I find teaching the cross the hardest part.
Teaching them EO to start would be an absolute nightmare.

 

[Joël]

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Just one other approach I'd like to share:

For CP and EP, one approach I find easy to explain to beginners is:

L U' R D2 R' U L'

This switches 2 corners on the front. Quite easy to explain, because both corners are 'isolated' in the bottom layer, and then switched with a D2. Using this alg twice with a U or U2 in between can solve CP.

For diagonal CP, it's (L U' R D2 R' U L') U2 (L U' R D2 R' U L')

For adjacent CP, they have to remember to put the 2 solved corners (=headlights) on the left and switch a 'good' corner with a 'bad' corner. After (L U' R D2 R' U L'), you end up with headlights on the right, so U' (L U' R D2 R' U L') to solve CP.

A nice thing about this appraoch is that after CP, EP can then be solved using a similar alg:

(L U' R E2 R' U L') U2 (L U' R E2 R' U L') U2

(L U' R E2 R' U L') U (L U' R E2 R' U L') U'

One person I taught this, came up with an H perm herself: (L R E2 R' L') U (L R E2 R' L') U'

 

[Yellowsnow98]

ZZ for speedcubing.
Better than CFOP.

But ZZ as a beginners method...
No. Just no.

 

[rj]

ZZ for speedcubing.
Better than CFOP.

But ZZ as a beginners method...
No. Just no.

Well, with orienting 2 edges at a time, maybe it's possible.

 

[TDM]

Well, with orienting 2 edges at a time, maybe it's possible.

Possible? Yes. Of course it's possible.
Easy to understand for beginners and can be learned quickly? No.

As Yellowsnow98 said, it's for speedcubing (although I'm not sure I agree about it being better than CFOP. Both have their advantages and disadvantages). It's definitely not a beginners method.

 

[brian724080]

I've taught about 20 people and I find teaching the cross the hardest part.
Teaching them EO to start would be an absolute nightmare.

Cross does seem to be the most difficult part for beginners because it is the first time they've really observed the cube carefully. EO may be a nightmare, but it is a good foundation for beginners, it just takes more time. I think doing EO two at a time is a good idea, although it will take quite a while for a beginners to understand.

 

[brian724080]

Teaching a Beginner ZZ

I have an update for this thread, because I am currently teaching a beginner ZZ. She's an average student in my grade, and she has little to no cubing experience. The reason I say that is because a lot of my classmates read cubing notation or do finger tricks like the sexy move due to my influence. Why her? Because she asked, and she also agreed to be my "test subject" because I would teach the typical beginner LBL. The reason I'm doing this is on the one hand, I want to prove that an average beginner can handle it, and on the other hand, I want to see how beginners progress when they start with a more difficult method. But to be honest, I have no idea what the outcome would be. I believe that this wouldn't be a smooth journey for either of us, because this is the first time I've every tried to do this.

In our 45 minute study period (more like 35 minutes due to interruptions), I've finished teaching her cubing notation, cube piece, cubing basics, and answered all the question she asked. Also, surprisingly, I finished teaching her EO rules and she can identify good or bad edges easily. Thankfully, she chose the same color scheme as me (yellow on top and red on front), otherwise, I'll be the one having trouble. I plan to teach her to solve EO two at a time, but obviously, she'll have to work out how the pieces of the cube interact with each other. How do you guys think I should approach blockbuilding F2L? I'm guessing that I'll teach her a very specific order in which the pieces are placed to minimize confusion.

P.S. This is my 100th post

 

[Renslay]

I have an update for this thread, because I am currently teaching a beginner ZZ. (...)

Good luck with that!

Reminds me when someone taught a complete beginner 3x3 BLD to proof that BLD is so simple even a beginner can learn it. They managed to do it, and the pupil's very first (full) solve was done blindfolded.

 

[brian724080]

Good luck with that!

They managed to do it, and the pupil's very first (full) solve was done blindfolded.

I might need some luck, and wow, that is just incredible, I'm still working on BLD

 

[1LastSolve]

I think it is a bit too complicated for some people. I do think teaching beginners with 4LLL is a good idea, because most people will just end up learning it later on anyway.