Rowe Variation: My new last slot/OLL experiment

[Godmil]

This makes little to no sense.

Mallards > Ducks.

Rowe, you've been using this for a wee while now, what are your current thoughts on RV?

 

[rowehessler]

Mallards > Ducks.

Rowe, you've been using this for a wee while now, what are your current thoughts on RV?

Honestly, RV (OLLS) (OLLLS) (OLLLLLLLLLLLLS) or whatever the **** people want to ****ing call it, who ****ing cares, is fast on cases that have 0,1, or 2 cases that are misoriented. They are easier to recognize this way, but when its 3 corners unoriented, its totally unworthy it. the cases/rtecognition sucks major ass.

 

[Godmil]

thanks for the update.

 

[soldii3runit]

Honestly, RV (OLLS) (OLLLS) (OLLLLLLLLLLLLS) or whatever the **** people want to ****ing call it, who ****ing cares, is fast on cases that have 0,1, or 2 cases that are misoriented. They are easier to recognize this way, but when its 3 corners unoriented, its totally unworthy it. the cases/rtecognition sucks major ass.

thnx for the setups, I just learned 4 cases andd it helped my solve. well one of them helped

is there a possibilities chart thaatt tells youu how oftenn a ccase sshows up?

 

[Bob]

thnx for the setups, I just learned 4 cases andd it helped my solve. well one of them helped

is there a possibilities chart thaatt tells youu how oftenn a ccase sshows up?

There's no symmetry so for RV, each case has a probability of 1/216 if you have a RV case.

 

[JK]

It's really useful,but the problem is that it's hard to rocognize them quickly(otherwise you'll be slower than doing your normal OLL).So I'm going to learn only WV cases at present.

 

[avgdi]

I'm wondering what the current status of RV is. Rowe, do you still use it? Has anyone else learned the all?

 

[Jakube]

During the last cubecast-episode Mats Valk revealed, that he and Rowe are working on better algs and they will release a new version of it in the next weeks.

 

[elrog]

I think doing a different last slot system is not really worth it if you add another look. I also think that it is not worth it if you have to have nearly 4 times the alg count for the same amount of looks for the LS and LL with a maximum of saving 3 moves because a pair in the U layer is only 3 moves from being in the slot.

The only kind of slotting techniques that are worth it are partial corner control and partial edge control.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

The only kind of slotting techniques that are worth it are partial corner control and partial edge control.

Pruf?

 

[Noahaha]

Pruf?

It's in the pudding.

 

[AHornbaker]

With large alg sets like this, I've always thought it would be easier to learn the "building blocks" that make up the alg instead of trying to memorize all 216 algs. For example, you would have certain algs that Flip Just These Corners, Flip Just These Corners, Flip These Corners and These Edges. By learning this way, you would know a solution to all the cases, and have a better intuitive understanding. To execute, you would take one "block", do a U move or something, then do the other "block". If it worked perfectly, you would need only 15 algs (assuming a set of 15 for the first step and the same 15 for the second step would yield 225 combos) but you could probably do it in about 20. Kirjava did this type of thing for 1LLL and i'm trying it out for an EOCP method.

 

[kcl]

this is true. also some name changes have been done. mats created these algs in 2008 and kept them secret, so when i came up with the same idea i thought id publish it under my name. Mats contacted me and for the last few months, when we've had time, have combined our algs. Most of the them were the same, but some were not, and we're perfecting them. Out of fairness, RV is now VLS(Valk), and I have started generating the algs for broken pair, HLS(Hessler). Summer variation is a subset of HLS, and Winter Variation is a subset of VLS. altogether, were naming the entire set OLS (OLL Last Slot). Pretty much, with these 432 algs, you will be able to skip OLL every solve. tbh, every case where all of the edges are unoriented are useless and terrible, though, so i recommend not learning them. Mats and I are making a youtube channel and will be posted all of the algs there. I will be uploading the first few videos this week.

Are the all unoriented edge cases just too long?

 

[CubezUBR]

any chance of intuitive

 

[kcl]

any chance of intuitive

Lolno

 

[elrog]

any chance of intuitive

Only if you get an extremely simple case or you break it up into steps. But what is the point in OLL plus Last Slot if you break it up into more steps anyway. If you did break it up, you might as well do the standard F2L then OLL.

 

[736]

I don't understand why you can't just learn zz method instead of a bunch more algorithms

 

[rowehessler]

I don't understand why you can't just learn zz method instead of a bunch more algorithms

ew

 

[guysensei1]

I don't understand why you can't just learn zz method instead of a bunch more algorithms

The ZZ method doesn't let you 'skip' OLL either.

 

[TDM]

The ZZ method doesn't let you 'skip' OLL either.

WV