Fridrich?

[uniacto]

We should all just switch to L2L4. Almost nobody is using that, so that would make each of us unique. Also, it's different then CFOP, so it must be less repetitive.

Because CFOP is too mainstream

 

[MorrisKid101]

People may be influenced by 5BLD because he is the fastest 3x3 cube in Britain and he uses Roux. I certainly thought about roux, but the whole 'learning a new method' thing seemed kinda pointless.

 

[jayefbe]

As many have already said, people "hate" on CFOP for the same reason that hipsters hate on anything that is popular.

However, I don't see any actual hatred of CFOP happening. Yes, some people like to say it's "boring" or "repetitive". But if Roux were as popular, just as many people would be saying that about roux. It's easy to get bored of and to rebel against convention. And for a long time, CFOP has been the speedcubing conventional method. It does seem as though the population of non-CFOP solvers is growing in size, and I think that is a very good thing. I also don't think it's evidence that people hate CFOP. It just means that people are beginning to realize that CFOP isn't the only method that can achieve world class speeds.

 

[Cubenovice]

People switch from CFOP to 'something else' so they have an excuse for being slow...

And don't give me that 'methods have no speeds' rap!

 

[aceofspades98]

I think people switch methods because after hearing the advantages of one method, they tend to think it is better. Without looking at the advantages of theirs.

 

[Ranzha]

Not disagreeing with you, but I find that it is much easier to gain this understanding of the cube through exploring other methods.

Maybe that is actually why people say CFOP is boring- the people who are apt to be bored are also quick to abandon ship to other methods, and then pigeonhole CFOP and forever think of it as "that method that I got bored of".

Well, maybe this realization is my cue to get back into CFOP, and really explore it. Not gonna replace zz, but it might be fun exploring new technique for big cube reduction and so forth.

Is it really that much easier to explore other methods? I personally found that exploring new techniques instead of new methods proved to work well.

 

[somerandomkidmike]

People switch from CFOP to 'something else' so they have an excuse for being slow...

And don't give me that 'methods have no speeds' rap!

Methods have no speed. It's not crap.

 

[XTowncuber]

I think the reason that people hate on Fridrich is because it's so much more structured then other popular speed solving methods. (especially for new cubers who are trying to choose a method.) Except for the cross, a CFOP solve by a cuber between 20-30 seconds can mostly be described as a series of algorithms. Using other methods, (especially Roux and Petrus) solves by a 20-30 second cuber will use much more intuitive solving and block-building. People in the 20-30 second range who choose to use something other method than CFOP do it because it is less structured when your times are at 20-30 seconds. Once they are fast with another method, they look back and think of Fridrich as being ridiculously algorithmic. However, If you keep using Fridrich, you will start to be more freestyle with your solves. A good CFOP solver uses intuitive solving and block building similar to a good solver who uses a different method.

Summary: people hate on Fridrich because they remember it as being very structured, even though it isn't always.

That probably didn't make any sense.

 

[BaMiao]

Is it really that much easier to explore other methods? I personally found that exploring new techniques instead of new methods proved to work well.

I'd say that exploring other methods is a good way to learn new techniques. Sometimes, it is hard to look for something new without forcing yourself to throw away everything you know. Learning things like x-cross or blockbuilding for CFOP might be easier with some knowledge of Petrus, for example. Learning new methods isn't a necessity, but I happen to think it's fun.

 

[Kirjava]

I hate this thread.

 

[YddEd]

hate

Whats with the word hate? I think that most of us don't even hate it.

 

[Ross The Boss]

I hate this thread.

and it hates you.

 

[SirWaffle]

I hate this thread.

Then don't read it. Problem solved!

 

[JF1zl3]

Then don't read it. Problem solved!

^^^

 

[Renslay]

In soviet Russia, Fridrich hates you!

 

[mark49152]

In soviet Russia, Fridrich hates you!

LOL. I quite like this thread - more please!

 

[Kirjava]

Then don't read it. Problem solved!

There's no problem, I'm quite content with my hatred.

 

[Smiles]

imo it's because fridrich is too commonly used while not proving to be the best method, but not enough world class cubers use other methods.

it's like why people hate mainstream music. there are people who think it sucks, and there are others who like it (either by preference or because it's really the only music they've been exposed to and have gotten used to it).

cfop is arguably the easiest method to learn for a non-cuber (since even the most advanced blockbuilding required is 1x1x2). beginner methods, like LBL, tend to relate most to CFOP, making it the clear choice for a beginner becoming a speedcuber. it's like the music thing again because it's so easy to access the mainstream music (CFOP) but there are other genres (other methods) that a lot of people never even consider.

basically cfop is easier to pick up = becomes more popular = has more info on it = becomes super popular = better chance that a really talented cuber uses it = sets some world records = becomes more popular

 

[JF1zl3]

imo it's because fridrich is too commonly used while not proving to be the best method, but not enough world class cubers use other methods.

it's like why people hate mainstream music. there are people who think it sucks, and there are others who like it (either by preference or because it's really the only music they've been exposed to and have gotten used to it).

cfop is arguably the easiest method to learn for a non-cuber (since even the most advanced blockbuilding required is 1x1x2). beginner methods, like LBL, tend to relate most to CFOP, making it the clear choice for a beginner becoming a speedcuber. it's like the music thing again because it's so easy to access the mainstream music (CFOP) but there are other genres (other methods) that a lot of people never even consider.

basically cfop is easier to pick up = becomes more popular = has more info on it = becomes super popular = better chance that a really talented cuber uses it = sets some world records = becomes more popular

That's a theory I've had myself for awhile. That music analogy is perfect for this.
I can see 5BLD breaking the single record, and he uses Roux, I believe. If that happened, I bet roux would get a popularity boost all of the sudden.

 

[waffle=ijm]

Best Thread Ever~!
-I use Roux because I didn't like algs when I first started solving. Simple as that.
-I also believe that it is a superior method, but that doesn't mean I'm a superior cuber.
-I used to believe that I wanted to be special by switching and be a non-conformist, I realize that I was stupid, but see above reasons for keeping Roux.
-I don't feel obligated to break world records, I cube for fun and meet other people.
-I don't hate CFOP, how can I hate a well developed method that has been refined so much? In fact I much respect for its users that have made it the method it is.