This record is DNF but...

[Mehrzad]

Hi every body.
I'm going to inform you an important matter.
the expection time of Mohammad Hossein Fatemi in 2012 iran open competition was 17 sec
in fact it was 2 second more than on legal time
This problem was from Mr Arash Maslehatjo
he was judge and He didn't notice Mohammad Hossein Fatemi.
and now this is national record of iran - (8.96)

video link:

http://www.aparat.com/v/Taxtc

 

[Noahaha]

I'm no expert on the rules, but it's definitely not his fault unless the judge told him at 12 seconds. If the judge didn't say anything, then it should be a resolve, which is impossible since the competition's over...

 

[qqwref]

I think you should talk to the WCA about this. If I was in charge, I think I would retroactively +2 the solve. Unfortunately this would increase his average to 11.44. I believe he would still have won that competition, and also have the current single and average NRs due to his performance in the second round of Avecina Autumn 2012.

 

[cxinlee]

Does this have to do with this? I'm kind of confused what is going on. The solve is official, so what's wrong?

 

[MaeLSTRoM]

Does this have to do with this? I'm kind of confused what is going on. The solve is official, so what's wrong?

The inspection time looks to be 17 seconds before the solve starts.

 

[cxinlee]

The inspection time looks to be 17 seconds before the solve starts.

If that is the case the judge should tell the penalty after the solve.

 

[MaeLSTRoM]

If that is the case the judge should tell the penalty after the solve.

Yes, he should. However, no penalty has been recorded for that solve, so the video has been posted so that it can be sorted out. If it was just a case of a missing +2, it would be sorted at the competition.

 

[CoryThigpen]

If I'm not mistaken it's a +2 to the judges time

 

[hcfong]

What I'm concerned about is that the judge in this solve is also the WCA delegate. One should be able to trust the delegate to apply the WCA regulations consistently, yet here he clearly doesn't. He doesn't say 8 seconds and 'go' at 12 seconds (I don't speak Farsi, but I'm sure that it would include an audible utterance from the judge), and didn't give a DNF or even a +2 for clearly going over the inspection time limit.

This leaves the question: Was this a one off incident due to a human error by someone who got a bit carried away with excitement of a new NR, or were there more instances where solves were recorded as valid, when they shouldn't have?

 

[Sebastien]

First of all: I hate seeing something like this being posted on Speedsolcing instead of just contacting the Board. To my mind this is inappropriate. It's like running to a newspaper instead of to the police for reporting a crime.

The inspection in the video is clearly above 17 seconds. I have linked this thread to the Board and to the responsible delegate for commenting.

 

[kunparekh18]

I'm a noob, and forgive me if my views are incorrect, but I think it's the judge's fault for not informing the contestant of the inspection time. I think the contestant doesn't count the seconds in his head while inspecting, so how would he know?

 

[PatrickJameson]

I'm a noob, and forgive me if my views are incorrect, but I think it's the judge's fault for not informing the contestant of the inspection time. I think the contestant doesn't count the seconds in his head while inspecting, so how would he know?

We can't hear for sure whether or not the judge said the time in the video. But you would be correct if the judge did not.

 

[NSKuber]

I'm a noob, and forgive me if my views are incorrect, but I think it's the judge's fault for not informing the contestant of the inspection time. I think the contestant doesn't count the seconds in his head while inspecting, so how would he know?

Yes, it's clearly judge's fault(I don't hear 8 and 12, maybe there were). Even if he said, he should've +2 that solve. Still, competitor got an unfair advantage. Pretty hard situation. WCA Board will figure what to do.

 

[Tyson]

First of all: I hate seeing something like this being posted on Speedsolcing instead of just contacting the Board. To my mind this is inappropriate. It's like running to a newspaper instead of to the police for reporting a crime.

The inspection in the video is clearly above 17 seconds. I have linked this thread to the Board and to the responsible delegate for commenting.

Sebastien, I don't HATE that these things get posted on Speedsolving. As the board, we'll get a chance to deal with it, but I would rather see these things get posted somewhere than not get reported at all. And I feel the community is generally very respectful of our process.

My guess is that the competitor put the cube down, and so the judge didn't say anything because the judge had reason to believe the competitor would be starting the solve. I do that as a judge, if the competitor puts the cube down at 12 seconds, I just let them go ahead instead of distracting them by saying 12. Then again, maybe it's better procedure that everyone says 12.