Obama-Biden or McCain-Palin(Speedsolving Votes)

[Lotsofsloths]

Seriously, he's all talk.

Sure, he isn't experienced as McCain, every one knows that.
But Joe Biden has a lot more experiance than McCain AND Palin.
Joe Biden has had 6 consectutive terms serving in the Senate.
Obama will lead the country. Because he can give good speeches, and Joe Biden will help him.

Obama may not have the experience McCain does. But Obama is in touch with the America, and world, of today.
McCain has experience, but I'm not exactly sure what he's in touch with... I keep getting reminded of Albert Einstein's quote...
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

McCain is not the same as Bush. They disagree on a great number of issues.

Yea, they only agree on 95% of the issues. Thats not THAT much.

 

[Kurzeja]

Like...? Any of importance, at all?

-McCain supported the surge for a long time while Bush opposed it for many years.
-McCain opposes torturing terror suspects for interrogation.
-He believes in helping end climate change.
-McCain and Lieberman's energy bill
-McCain very strongly believes in a balanced budget and wants to eliminate earmarks.

 

[hawkmp4]

Like...? Any of importance, at all?

-McCain supported the surge for a long time while Bush opposed it for many years.
-McCain opposes torturing terror suspects for interrogation.
-He believes in helping end climate change.
-McCain and Lieberman's energy bill
-McCain very strongly believes in a balanced budget and wants to eliminate earmarks.

I won't argue he supported the surge. But... I will argue that supporting the surge isn't a good thing.

He opposes torture? He funded the contra rebels back in 1988. They tortured.
annnd... http://pushingrope.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-enhanced-interrogation-techniques.html

Helping end climate change? By allowing more drilling for oil and increasing dependence on petroleum?

He opposes earmarks?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/18/politics/18earmark.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/49_50/news/3502-1.html

 

[Hadley4000]

Obama may not have the experience McCain does. But Obama is in touch with the America, and world, of today.
McCain has experience, but I'm not exactly sure what he's in touch with... I keep getting reminded of Albert Einstein's quote...
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

McCain is not the same as Bush. They disagree on a great number of issues.

Obama may be in touch with Americans, but McCain is in touch with reality. Most Americans don't know anything about politics, and thats all they hear is that Obama and the Democrats are going to give them free stuff. Obama is just pandering to the ignorant, greedy, and lazy, by telling them that he is going make the achievers pay their "fair share" and make everyone equal. He is making the tax payers pay for his votes.

I know more about politics than 9/10 people out there. I am not ignorant, greedy or lazy.

McCain in touch with reality? Thank you for giving me a belly laugh. I've needed one of those.

 

[Kurzeja]

I won't argue he supported the surge. But... I will argue that supporting the surge isn't a good thing.

He opposes torture? He funded the contra rebels back in 1988. They tortured.
annnd... http://pushingrope.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-enhanced-interrogation-techniques.html

Helping end climate change? By allowing more drilling for oil and increasing dependence on petroleum?

He opposes earmarks?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/18/politics/18earmark.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/49_50/news/3502-1.html

Why isn't supporting the surge a good thing? It has succeeded.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/630/

He also supports research into alternative energy such as nuclear. We need to drill here to help lower oil prices and reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/02/14/GR2008021400384.html

 

[hawkmp4]

The surge has just embedded us even more in Iraq. Its treating symptoms of violence, not the causes.
And nuclear is just as bad- its not sustainable, in the sense that the waste from nuclear energy will destroy the environment.
How... HOW?!?!?!?
How can ANYONE think that drilling here in America will lower our prices? The petroleum industry is NOT nationalized, so the prices will stay the same. Our prices are for the most part dictated by the GLOBAL economy. Canada has a surplus of oil, they produce more than they use, yet... they pay as much if not more for gasoline than we do!
Saying drilling for oil in the US will lower our gas prices is the biggest load of horse **** I have ever heard.

 

[Kurzeja]

I know more about politics than 9/10 people out there. I am not ignorant, greedy or lazy.

McCain in touch with reality? Thank you for giving me a belly laugh. I've needed one of those.

I'm not saying that all of Obama's supporter are ignorant, greedy, or lazy, but a larger number of them are. Many of his supporters can't tell you anything about him besides that he supports "change." They also know that he is going to raise taxes on the rich (who many poor people hate) and give to the middle class (the voters). The poor / middle class don't realize that this hurts them too.

 

[hawkmp4]

I'm not saying that all of Obama's supporter are ignorant, greedy, or lazy, but a larger number of them are. Many of his supporters can't tell you anything about him besides that he supports "change." They also know that he is going to raise taxes on the rich (who many poor people hate) and give to the middle class (the voters). The poor / middle class don't realize that this hurts them too.

How does taxing the people that make disgusting amounts of money hurt the middle class and those in poverty?

 

[Ethan Rosen]

I'm not saying that all of Obama's supporter are ignorant, greedy, or lazy, but a larger number of them are. Many of his supporters can't tell you anything about him besides that he supports "change." They also know that he is going to raise taxes on the rich (who many poor people hate) and give to the middle class (the voters). The poor / middle class don't realize that this hurts them too.

How does taxing the people that make disgusting amounts of money hurt the middle class and those in poverty?

When factory owners move to Asia and take the jobs with them because they will be able to keep more money there, then you will see just how great Obama's policies are. Not to mention when the leaders of the service industry need to raise prices to make up for the loss of money caused by heavily increased taxes, you will see how great your socialism is.

 

[Kurzeja]

I'm not saying that all of Obama's supporter are ignorant, greedy, or lazy, but a larger number of them are. Many of his supporters can't tell you anything about him besides that he supports "change." They also know that he is going to raise taxes on the rich (who many poor people hate) and give to the middle class (the voters). The poor / middle class don't realize that this hurts them too.

How does taxing the people that make disgusting amounts of money hurt the middle class and those in poverty?

Businesses will be driven out of the country so that they can operate without the government trying to take their money. Plus, can you tell me what happens when you raise the taxes on you employer? Surely they aren't going to just accept their loss of money and get over it. They will fire new employees in order to make up for the loss, they will raise prices to make up for the loss, or they could decrease the pay of their employees.

 

[hawkmp4]

Businesses will be driven out of the country so that they can operate without the government trying to take their money. Plus, can you tell me what happens when you raise the taxes on you employer? Surely they aren't going to just accept their loss of money and get over it. They will fire new employees in order to make up for the loss, they will raise prices to make up for the loss, or they could decrease the pay of their employees.

Businesses are already being driven out of the country. Production costs will always be lower elsewhere. But that doesn't mean we should give the rich a free break.
Because as we've seen in the past, tax breaks don't stimulate the economy.
http://cagle.com/working/080801/greenberg21.jpg

 

[Lotsofsloths]

If you want to know why the gas prices have gone so dramatically in the last couple of weeks, its because the elections are coming closer. And Republicans have all the control over oil, because they only support the largest companies. NOT the little ones.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

If you want to know why the gas prices have gone so dramatically in the last couple of weeks, its because the elections are coming closer. And Republicans have all the control over oil, because they only support the largest companies. NOT the little ones.

Actually its primarily because the American Dollar is rebounding against most major currencies because Japan is in a recession and that Euro and Pound didn't do as well in the first semester as expected. But yea, nice try with your little conspiracy theory.

 

[StachuK1992]

nice, ethan, I lol'd
actually, it's a little thing called 'Supply and Demand'!

 

[Ethan Rosen]

nice, ethan, I lol'd
actually, it's a little thing called 'Supply and Demand'!

Well if he had bothered to take the time to refute me I would've gone into supply and demand, but the rising dollar is a primary reason for the drop.

 

[MistArts]

nice, ethan, I lol'd
actually, it's a little thing called 'Supply and Demand'!

Well if he had bothered to take the time to refute me I would've gone into supply and demand, but the rising dollar is a primary reason for the drop.

The rising dollar is caused by the supply and demand of the dollar.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

nice, ethan, I lol'd
actually, it's a little thing called 'Supply and Demand'!

Well if he had bothered to take the time to refute me I would've gone into supply and demand, but the rising dollar is a primary reason for the drop.

The rising dollar is caused by the supply and demand of the dollar.

OOO I thought he was referring to the price of oil and not the price of the dollar. Woops!

 

[StachuK1992]

i was talking about everything!!!

 

[Lotsofsloths]

You got me there Ethan.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

What does that have to do with anything?

Edit: really all that you did was not accept that you had been completely defeated when you tried to make a point, so you brought in a chart with well known information. In reality, all that shows is that when the government wastes a ton of money like the neocons, there will be debt. However, the entire platform of the democrats is to tax people a lot and spend a ton of money on socialist things like welfare and healthcare. The libertarians and true republicans on the other hand, are completely against wasteful government spending.