Which algorithm seems more comfortable?

[inbae]

I'm currently searching for algorithms using solvers. Doing this, sometimes I face hard times determining which algorithm is better among many.

Currently, I'm not sure which of these are more generally comfortable:

1. R2B2RF2R'B2RF2R vs L'U2LB'L'BU2B'LB
2. L'B'LF'L'BL2FR'F'L'FR vs L2RD'LU'L'DL2UR'U'L'UL vs BUB'U'F'UB2DB'U'BD'FB2
3. L'B'RB2L'FLB'L'F'L2B'R'B vs L'B'RBLB'RB'L2BR2B'L2B2

Presumably I might be asking similar questions several times, so I do not post in the one answer question thread.

 

[MarcelP]

It is all very personal. What I did when learning PLL's I tested with a timer. The ones which I did the fastest, where the ones I did make the preferred ones.

 

[inbae]

It is all very personal. What I did when learning PLL's I tested with a timer. The ones which I did the fastest, where the ones I did make the preferred ones.

Uhm... I haven't been speedcubing for several years and started it again recently, and not fully recovered (just about 25 secs). So I'm not sure whether my feeling or time can actually determine which is better. Of course personal stuffs are strongly involved in these kind of things, but in my opinion it is possible to determine which algorithm is preferable, if the difference does not lie in the realm of personal preference.

 

[ben1996123]

1. I use x R2 D2 R U2 R' D2 R U2 R x' for COLL on 3x3

 

[inbae]

1. I use x R2 D2 R U2 R' D2 R U2 R x' for COLL on 3x3

Nah it's not just a COLL. Its a part of another method, which takes two steps for LL, which consist of simultaneous orientation and permutation of edges, then corners. (similar to CFCE except for it starts with edge first)

 

[BenVdd]

Lowest movecount & Fingertrick friendlyness.

I guess

 

[NaeosPsy]

Nah it's not just a COLL. Its a part of another method, which takes two steps for LL, which consist of simultaneous orientation and permutation of edges, then corners. (similar to CFCE except for it starts with edge first)

it's more effecient to start with corners I think.

 

[inbae]

Lowest movecount & Fingertrick friendlyness.

Yup but I'm not sure which is fingertrick friendly.

it's more effecient to start with corners I think.

I haven't tried CFCE so I'm not sure about it, but anyway Fridrich is better than this method, in my opinion. However, when I stopped speedcubing I was working on this method, and I'd like to finish it up.

 

[ben1996123]

Nah it's not just a COLL. Its a part of another method, which takes two steps for LL, which consist of simultaneous orientation and permutation of edges, then corners. (similar to CFCE except for it starts with edge first)

It still works though because it doesn't affect the edges.

 

[Petro Leum]

they are all really bad. way too many b moves. you should try getting some LUR/RUD/URF-gen ones, even if they are longer.

 

[inbae]

they are all really bad. way too many b moves. you should try getting some LUR/RUD/URF-gen ones, even if they are longer.

Well that good algorithms are hard to find generally. And b moves are not necessarily bad: for example, L'B'LF'L'BL2FR'F'L'FR is equivalent to r'U'rD'r'ur2UR'U'L'UR, which is in fact way easier to perform, without much hindrance in finger tricks.

 

[A Leman]

What do you want the algorithms to do?
If you want us to give you the same exact case, 1. could be done(different auf, but how people recognize coll) as x' L2D2LU2L'D2LU2r. If you don't need that exact cases there can be better options.

I have always found it easier to tell people exactly what I what an alg to do and see their ideas rather than giving two bad algs and expecting them to pick. people on this forum are very clever alg finders and will usually together come up with ideas you can easily overlook.

 

[inbae]

What do you want the algorithms to do?
If you want us to give you the same exact case, 1. could be done(different auf, but how people recognize coll) as x' L2D2LU2L'D2LU2r. If you don't need that exact cases there can be better options.

I have always found it easier to tell people exactly what I what an alg to do and see their ideas rather than giving two bad algs and expecting them to pick. people on this forum are very clever alg finders and will usually together come up with ideas you can easily overlook.

I want them to do the exactly same thing as they do; i.e. they should be solutions completely solving the cube for the specific case, since it is the last part of algorithm. In the other words, for the first situation, apply B'L'BU2B'LBL'U2L for a completely solved cube, and what I want is an algorithm which solves the cube completely in one step.

 

[Kirjava]

1) D' R2 U' r2 D R2 D' r2 U D - the RUL version is good too
2) R' U' R F R2 D' R U R' D R2 U' F'
3) pewpewpew

 

[5BLD]

R2' D2 R U2 R' D2 R U2 R
lol you guys

 

[inbae]

Guys, here's another L4C case. This time, after reading some complaints, I've come here with plenty of candidates, which I have selected among over 500 algorithms.

R' F R B' R2 F' R' B' R' B2 L U2 L' (13f*)
U R2 U' R' F R F' U R2 U' R2 F R F' R (15f)
U F' L F R' F2 L' F' R' F' R2 B U2 B' U' (15f)
R' F R B' R' F2 R B R' L' F R F' L F (15f)
B2 R' U F' U' F R B2 U' B2 R B R' B U (15f)
U B U' F' U B2 U' B' D2 B U B' D2 B2 U' F (16f)
U2 R' U L' U2 R U' R U R2 U2 L U' R2 U2 R' (16f)
U2 L' U2 R U' L2 U' R' U L2 U L U2 R U2 R' (16f)
U2 L' U2 L F' L2 F' R' F L2 F R U2 R U2 R' (16f)
U2 L' U2 L F' L2 F' R' F L2 F L F2 R F2 L' (16f)
U2 B' U' B2 U B' U' B2 U' F' B2 U B' U' F B' (16f)
U' L U' R' U L' U2 R U' R U R2 U R2 U2 R' (16f)
U' L' U' L U' L U L2 U L2 U R' U L' U' R (16f)
R' U2 R B' R2 B' L' B R2 B R B2 L B2 R' U2 (16f)
R' U2 R B' R2 B' L' B R2 B L U2 L U2 L' U2 (16f)
R' F R F' U2 F' U2 F U2 L F2 R' F' R F' L' (16f)
F B' R2 B' R' B2 R B' R' B2 R' F' B2 R B' R' (16f)
L U2 R' F' L F' L' F2 L' F R F' U2 F' U2 F (16f)
L U2 R' F' L F' L' F2 L' F R B' R2 F' R2 B (16f)
L U2 L' B' R B R2 B L' B' R2 L B' R' B U2 (16f)
L U' R' U R2 D' L' U2 L D L' U2 R2 U' R U (16f)
L U' R' U L2 U' L' D2 L U L' D2 L2 U' R U (16f)
L2 F L2 F R' F' R L2 F2 L' F2 R' F R F2 L' (16f)
L2 D' L U2 L' D L U L' U R U' L U R' L (16f)
L' U R' U L2 U' R U2 L2 U L U' L U' L' U2 (16f)
L' U R' U2 L U' L U L2 U2 R U' L2 U2 L' U2 (16f)
B U' F' U B' U2 F U' F U F2 U F2 U2 F' U' (16f)
B' U' B U' B U B2 U B2 U F' U B' U' F U' (16f)

My personal preference is U R2 U' R' F R F' U R2 U' R2 F R F' R, but if you guys feel more comfy with another one, please tell me.

Also, here's another case of L4C:

U2 R B' R' B U2 R2 F' L F' L' F2 R2 (13f*)
F' L2 B' R' B L B' R L F L' B L (13f*)
L F' L' F U2 L2 B' R B' R' B2 L2 U2 (13f*)
U2 L U2 L' U R' U2 R B2 L' B2 L2 U' L' (14f)
R U2 R' U L' U2 L F2 R' F2 R2 U' R' U2 (14f)
L F2 R' F L' F2 R F2 L F L2 U2 L U2 (14f)
U2 R' U R2 B2 R' U2 R' U2 R B2 U R' U2 R (15f)
U2 R' U R2 B2 L' B2 R' B2 L B2 U R' U2 R (15f)
U2 R' L2 F2 L' F R' F2 L F2 R F L2 U2 R (15f)
U2 R' L2 F2 L' F L' U2 L U2 L F L2 U2 R (15f)
U2 L U2 L' U R' U2 L U2 R U R' L' U2 R (15f)
U2 L U2 L' U R' U2 L U2 L' U2 R L U' L' (15f)
U2 L U2 L' U L' B2 L B2 R' U2 R L U' L' (15f)
U2 L U2 L' U L' B2 L B2 L U R' L' U2 R (15f)
U2 B L' B2 R B' L B2 R' B' R B R2 U2 R (15f)
U2 B L' B' L U2 R' U2 B2 R2 B R2 B U2 R (15f)
R U2 R' U L' U2 R U2 R' U2 R L U' R' U2 (15f)
R U2 R' U L' U2 R U2 L U R' L' U2 L U2 (15f)
L' U L2 F2 R' F2 L' F2 R F2 U L' U2 L U2 (15f)
L' U L2 F2 L' U2 L' U2 L F2 U L' U2 L U2 (15f)

I'm having trouble choosing one, but certainly not of length 13.

 

[Brest]

Guys, here's another L4C case. This time, after reading some complaints, I've come here with plenty of candidates, which I have selected among over 500 algorithms.

Spoiler

R' F R B' R2 F' R' B' R' B2 L U2 L' (13f*)
U R2 U' R' F R F' U R2 U' R2 F R F' R (15f)
U F' L F R' F2 L' F' R' F' R2 B U2 B' U' (15f)
R' F R B' R' F2 R B R' L' F R F' L F (15f)
B2 R' U F' U' F R B2 U' B2 R B R' B U (15f)
U B U' F' U B2 U' B' D2 B U B' D2 B2 U' F (16f)
U2 R' U L' U2 R U' R U R2 U2 L U' R2 U2 R' (16f)
U2 L' U2 R U' L2 U' R' U L2 U L U2 R U2 R' (16f)
U2 L' U2 L F' L2 F' R' F L2 F R U2 R U2 R' (16f)
U2 L' U2 L F' L2 F' R' F L2 F L F2 R F2 L' (16f)
U2 B' U' B2 U B' U' B2 U' F' B2 U B' U' F B' (16f)
U' L U' R' U L' U2 R U' R U R2 U R2 U2 R' (16f)
U' L' U' L U' L U L2 U L2 U R' U L' U' R (16f)
R' U2 R B' R2 B' L' B R2 B R B2 L B2 R' U2 (16f)
R' U2 R B' R2 B' L' B R2 B L U2 L U2 L' U2 (16f)
R' F R F' U2 F' U2 F U2 L F2 R' F' R F' L' (16f)
F B' R2 B' R' B2 R B' R' B2 R' F' B2 R B' R' (16f)
L U2 R' F' L F' L' F2 L' F R F' U2 F' U2 F (16f)
L U2 R' F' L F' L' F2 L' F R B' R2 F' R2 B (16f)
L U2 L' B' R B R2 B L' B' R2 L B' R' B U2 (16f)
L U' R' U R2 D' L' U2 L D L' U2 R2 U' R U (16f)
L U' R' U L2 U' L' D2 L U L' D2 L2 U' R U (16f)
L2 F L2 F R' F' R L2 F2 L' F2 R' F R F2 L' (16f)
L2 D' L U2 L' D L U L' U R U' L U R' L (16f)
L' U R' U L2 U' R U2 L2 U L U' L U' L' U2 (16f)
L' U R' U2 L U' L U L2 U2 R U' L2 U2 L' U2 (16f)
B U' F' U B' U2 F U' F U F2 U F2 U2 F' U' (16f)
B' U' B U' B U B2 U B2 U F' U B' U' F U' (16f)

My personal preference is U R2 U' R' F R F' U R2 U' R2 F R F' R, but if you guys feel more comfy with another one, please tell me.

Yes, the <R,U,F> one is nice, and probably the best option.
R2 U' R' F R F' U R2 U' R2' F R F' R

<R,U,L>
R' U' R U' R U R2' U R2 U (L' U R' U' L)
R' U' R2 U R' U' R2' U' R2 (L' U R' U' L R')
(L U' R' U L') U2 R U' R U R2' U R2 U2 R'

z <R,U,D> z'
z D U R U2 R D' R' U R2 D U R D' R U' z'
z U' R' U R' U R U2 R U2 R D' R U' R' D z'
z U' R D' R U2 R' D R2 U2 R U R' U R' U' z'
z U' R' U2 R U' R' U2 R' D' U2 R U' R' D U' z'
z D R' U' R D' R2 U R' U R U2 R U2 R2 U' z'
z U' R D' R2 U R' U R U2 R2 D R' U2 R2 U' z'
z U' R2 D R' U2 R' D' R U2 R U R2 D R2 D' z'

<R,U,D>
R U2 R D R2' D2 R U' R' D2 R U' R D' R2
R U R' U2 R2 U2 R' U' D' R U R' D R U2 R2
R' U2 R2 D' R2' D R2 U R2' U D' R U' R2 D R2'

options
r' U r F' r2 F' r' U' r' F2 R U2 R'
R' U r F' r2 F' r' U' r' F2 R U2 r'

L U' L' U F' L2 U' F L' F' L' U F L2
R2' F' (U L' U' L) F R2 U' R2' F R F' R

Also, here's another case of L4C:

Spoiler

U2 R B' R' B U2 R2 F' L F' L' F2 R2 (13f*)
F' L2 B' R' B L B' R L F L' B L (13f*)
L F' L' F U2 L2 B' R B' R' B2 L2 U2 (13f*)
U2 L U2 L' U R' U2 R B2 L' B2 L2 U' L' (14f)
R U2 R' U L' U2 L F2 R' F2 R2 U' R' U2 (14f)
L F2 R' F L' F2 R F2 L F L2 U2 L U2 (14f)
U2 R' U R2 B2 R' U2 R' U2 R B2 U R' U2 R (15f)
U2 R' U R2 B2 L' B2 R' B2 L B2 U R' U2 R (15f)
U2 R' L2 F2 L' F R' F2 L F2 R F L2 U2 R (15f)
U2 R' L2 F2 L' F L' U2 L U2 L F L2 U2 R (15f)
U2 L U2 L' U R' U2 L U2 R U R' L' U2 R (15f)
U2 L U2 L' U R' U2 L U2 L' U2 R L U' L' (15f)
U2 L U2 L' U L' B2 L B2 R' U2 R L U' L' (15f)
U2 L U2 L' U L' B2 L B2 L U R' L' U2 R (15f)
U2 B L' B2 R B' L B2 R' B' R B R2 U2 R (15f)
U2 B L' B' L U2 R' U2 B2 R2 B R2 B U2 R (15f)
R U2 R' U L' U2 R U2 R' U2 R L U' R' U2 (15f)
R U2 R' U L' U2 R U2 L U R' L' U2 L U2 (15f)
L' U L2 F2 R' F2 L' F2 R F2 U L' U2 L U2 (15f)
L' U L2 F2 L' U2 L' U2 L F2 U L' U2 L U2 (15f)

I'm having trouble choosing one, but certainly not of length 13.

<R,U,L>
(R U2 R' U L' U2 R U2) L U R' L' U2 L
(R U2 R' U L' U2 R U2) R' U2 R L U' R'

z <R,U,D> z'
z D R' U2 L' U R2 U' L U R' D' R' U z'
z D R2 D' R U' R2' D R2 U R D' U' R2' U z'
z D R2 D' R U' R2' D R2 D' R2 D U R' D' z'
z U R' D' R U2 R U D R2 D' R' U' R2 U D z'

<R,U,D>
R D' R U2 R U2 R U' R' U' R' U R' D R'
(R2 D' R' U R2 U' R2') D R2 U' D' R' D R U2 R
(R2 D' R' U R2 U' R2') U' R U D R2 U' R U2 R

options
r' U2 R' D' R U R' U D L U' R U x

r U' r' F U2 r2 F' R F' R' F2 r2
R f' U' f U2 R2' F' r U' r' F2 R2

 

[antoineccantin]

First alg: triple sledgehamme triple sexy or F R U R' U' R U' R' U' R U R' F' for COLL/ZBLL

 

[inbae]

Hmm, thanks, brest. Uh and my intention was to transform them to not <R, U, D>, but <R, r, U, L, l>.

And antonineccantin, please read this thread. These algorithms are NOT COLL or something. These are L4C ones.

 

[inbae]

Here are some other cases:
1.
U2 R U2 R' U' R U L' U R' U' L U' R U' R' (16f)
U2 R' U' R U' L U' R' U L' U R U' R' U2 R (16f)
U2 L U L' U R' U L U' R U' L' U L U2 L' (16f)
U2 L' U2 L U L' U' R U' L U R' U L' U L (16f)
R U R' U L' U R U' L U' R' U R U2 R' U2 (16f)
R' U2 R U R' U' L U' R U L' U R' U R U2 (16f)
F R' U' R2 U' R2 U2 R2 U2 R' U' R U2 R' U' F' (16f)
U R' U' R2 U R2 U R' U' R D' R U R' U2 D R' (17f)
U2 R U2 R2 L F' R F L' F R' F' L F' R F' L' (17f)
U2 R2 L F' R F' L F' R' F L' F R F' L' U2 R (17f)
U' R2 L U' R' U L' U2 R' U2 R U' R' U2 R2 U2 R2 (17f)

How good are they when compared to yx U R' U' L U2 R U r' y' R U2 R U2 R' U2 ?

2.

U R B' R B R2 U' R2 U B' R B R' U' R2 (15f)
U R B' R B R2 U' R2 B L U' L' U B' R2 (15f)
U2 R L' U' L' U R' L2 U' L2 U' L' U L2 U' L' (16f)
U2 F' U2 F U2 B U B2 U F' U' B2 U' F U2 B' (16f)
U2 F' U' F U' F U F2 U2 B U' F2 U B' U F' (16f)
U' L U' R' U L' U R2 U R2 U R U' R U' R' (16f)
R' L U' R' U R2 L' U' R2 U' R' U R2 U' R' U2 (16f)
B U' F' U B' U F2 U F2 U F U' F U' F' U' (16f)
B' U2 B U2 B U' B2 D' B U' B' U D B2 U B' (16f)
B' U2 B2 U' F U2 B2 U B U' B U2 F' U B' U2 (16f)

When compared to U l U' R U R' l' U' R2 U x' U' R U l' U' R2 ?