3x3 Ortega/Waterman Time Breakdown

BadgerSex

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My first sub-minute times have been with the ortega method! :D
It owns my LBL times, more than 20 seconds faster! And I've only been using it for 10 days, where I've been working on LBL for maybe a month. And I keep calling the Waterman method the "Watermelon method" -- which is a much cooler name anyway :)

Right now my times are:
15-18 seconds to solve all corners
19-25 seconds for the 3+4 L and R edges
15-20 secs for the final moves,
for a total of 55-58 seconds.

My number of moves is around 52, which means it's plenty more efficient than the LBL method I was using before. With waterman, for which I have only learned a few extra algorithms, my average is slightly slower, mostly because my first layer probably uses more moves than it should (anywhere from 15 to 24).

So what should I work on? I'm looking to hear from anyone who uses Corners-First methods, or to talk with anyone interested in using CF.

Thanks!
 
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i average sub 40s with corners first :D i had to learn corners first for solving 4x4 so yea.
back to 3x3 i don't follow the exact steps, i solve the top and bottom layer and then the middle edges I either use 3-cycles, the BLD edge orientation alg or some random M and U moves. I just do it for fun :D
 
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i average sub 40s with corners first :D i had to learn corners first for solving 4x4 so yea.
back to 3x3 i don't follow the exact steps, i solve the top and bottom layer and then the middle edges I either use 3-cycles, the BLD edge orientation alg or some random M and U moves. I just do it for fun :D

That's awesome 4x4 times... Where'd you learn your cf 4x4 method?
 
no i meant i average 40s FOR 3x3...sorry for not being clear.

anyway, for my CF 4x4 average is about 1:33 to 1:35 with practise.
I learnt a beginner cage-like solution on georges helm's website and optimized it.
 
I'm using both methods for solving 2x2x2 and if I use Ortega I usally gets around 9 seconds with a wery small deviation. If I do Waterman (CLL) I get times in the range 6-12 seconds. If it is a easy first layer and a CLL I know wery well, then 6.xx is done just like that, no effort at all, but if it is a tricky first layer and a slow recognition in CLL I can do really bad =) I'm colour neutral and some combiantions of colours for some cases can make me go "Uh??, eh??" for a long while sometimes. IF I do Ortega that newer happens, it is always the same old cases you recognise in a blink.

So on average it makes the same but for a record solve I recommend Waterman :)
 
Wow my times keep getting better... my best non-lucky solve so far is 34 seconds, and I've averaged 40 for 3 out of 5 solves (my general average is 46). I'm really surprised how much faster I've gotten since I switched!
 
Work on the first layer for Waterman a lot. I recommend using a Roux approach: 1x2x3 block, then insert the remaining two corners and an edge.
 
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