Blindsolving Accomplishment Thread

[Martial]

How long does it take to learn the BH algs for the corners?

2 days for understand the theory, few weeks for recognize commutators. But there is no alg you have to learn like in TuRBo

Is there any site, wich tells you HOW to learn them?

Read this

Is it the best method anyway?

yes But you can use some alg from TuRBo method for the commutators more complicated and get good times with them.

Where the BH method is efficient against TuRBo is in the case of pure commutators (8 moves without set-up) which can be solved with a setup + alg + de-setup in TurRBo.
When I learned it, my PB was 1:24. Just take the time to understand each type of commutator, and you will quickly recognize the easiest commutators after some practise (1 week). The other commutators will follow

edit : [R, U' L' U] = R U'L'U R' U'LU (pure) but you will see it in the tuto

 

[DennisStrehlau]

Thanks for your answer.
What do you think, how fast is your execution for corners, when you understand BH?

But you can use some alg from TuRBo method for the commutators more complicated and get good times with them.

What?

Dennis

 

[Mike Hughey]

Thanks for your answer.
What do you think, how fast is your execution for corners, when you understand BH?

Wow, that's a tough thing to measure. I decided to try. I did the following:
1. scrambled 3x3x3, memorized corners only, then started the timer and pulled on the blindfold, and solved corners only
2. if parity, I did as I usually do, which is solve corners such that only UBL and UBR need swapping, but I didn't perform any parity algorithm, so those two corners were left unsolved
3. made it a point NOT to think ahead to the first algorithm while memorizing; I didn't start thinking about the first algorithm to perform until after starting the timer
4. did an average 10/12
5. memorized a little more carefully than usual; I had all 12 successes, no DNFs

Result: 17.56
20.58, 16.68, (23.16), 16.21, 13.26, 12.46, 20.88, 15.72, 19.84, (11.81), 20.35, 19.65

I've only had 20 to 30 sub-1 solves at this point, almost all of which have been in the last few months. So my overall speed is not very different from yours. I probably average a little over 30 seconds memorizing, but a good solve for me is almost sub-25 memorization.

 

[Martial]

A the beginning, I usualy made 4 commutators in ~1:25... But after some practise, I increase my times near to 30sec (as fast as in TuRBo), and 1 month later, I was at 25sec on average (but memo + execution this time) with parity solving.
Now when I must do three commutators (6 corner targets) I do 16 sec (memo + execution).
But I'm pretty bad in exectution (45 sec for the whole cube, with a memo in 12-15 sec)

You can use alg of TuRBo for the commutators of the parts 6 and 7 of the tuto, with 1 or 2 setup moves.

 

[vd]

3x3 BLD 45.11 PB. I didnt save scrambler, unluckily, but it was 8 targets for corners and 10 targets for edges.

 

[DennisStrehlau]

Result: 17.56
20.58, 16.68, (23.16), 16.21, 13.26, 12.46, 20.88, 15.72, 19.84, (11.81), 20.35, 19.65

I will try this with old pochmann later and tell you the results in this thread

..So my overall speed is not very different from yours...

I only had ONE sub 1 solve Mike! You are way faster i guess..

I probably average a little over 30 seconds memorizing, but a good solve for me is almost sub-25 memorization.

I have no idea what i avg in memorization. I never look at the time. I think its also about 30 seconds..Whats your avg in 3x3x3 BLD?

A the beginning, I usualy made 4 commutators in ~1:25... But after some practise, I increase my times near to 30sec (as fast as in TuRBo), and 1 month later, I was at 25sec on average (but memo + execution this time) with parity solving.
Now when I must do three commutators (6 corner targets) I do 16 sec (memo + execution).
But I'm pretty bad in exectution (45 sec for the whole cube, with a memo in 12-15 sec)

You can use alg of TuRBo for the commutators of the parts 6 and 7 of the tuto, with 1 or 2 setup moves.

30 seconds with TuRBo..solving only?!
Ok, i know what you mean about the TuRBo algorithms..

Dennis

 

[DennisStrehlau]

@ Mike

I did some averages for solving edges with pure M2 and for solving corners with pure old Pochmann:

corners ~ 20-21 seconds

edges ~ 17-17.5 seconds

I am faster with normal M2 than solving with adv M2 because i have to "think" less. Its not really a lot of thinking involved when solving with adv M2 of course, but i have to think about the fast itself, while memorizing and thats what confuses me every time...

About corners, i dont know. I still try to do some TuRBo solves, but its so annoying to be that slow in the beginning. I guess i have to keep it up, so i get faster with it?! Would be nice to avg between 10-20 seconds with it. Even 15-20 seconds is nice as i just realized. I thought my OP execution was about 15-20 seconds. Now i know, that i was wrong and that its 5 seconds slower.

Dennis

 

[Noahaha]

@ Mike

I did some averages for solving edges with pure M2 and for solving corners with pure old Pochmann:

corners ~ 20-21 seconds

edges ~ 17-17.5 seconds

I am faster with normal M2 than solving with adv M2 because i have to "think" less. Its not really a lot of thinking involved when solving with adv M2 of course, but i have to think about the fast itself, while memorizing and thats what confuses me every time...

About corners, i dont know. I still try to do some TuRBo solves, but its so annoying to be that slow in the beginning. I guess i have to keep it up, so i get faster with it?! Would be nice to avg between 10-20 seconds with it. Even 15-20 seconds is nice as i just realized. I thought my OP execution was about 15-20 seconds. Now i know, that i was wrong and that its 5 seconds slower.

Dennis

Even if you're not using extremely advanced M2, you should always avoid BU

 

[Mike Hughey]

I only had ONE sub 1 solve Mike! You are way faster i guess..

I had only had one sub-1 solve 4 or 5 months ago, so I guess that's why I figured we're similar. I have recently gotten a bit faster, but it doesn't seem like I'm lots faster - I just occasionally get sub-1 solves now, where I didn't a few months ago.

I have no idea what i avg in memorization. I never look at the time. I think its also about 30 seconds..Whats your avg in 3x3x3 BLD?

I would have to guess I average somewhere between 1:20 and 1:30. Over the past year in official competitions, I've averaged 1:35.61. But as I said, I have improved a bit lately.

 

[DennisStrehlau]

Even if you're not using extremely advanced M2, you should always avoid BU

Ok, thats easy and always possible, you are right. But i just dont like the cases for FU-xx/xx-FU and BD-xx/xx-BD. Too strange to execue them, dont know why. But you are right about BU-xx/xx-BU of course.

@Mike

There are 21 setups for TuRBo. At least if i dont care about doing 3 or 4 setup moves instead of 2 or 3 setuo moves.
I think i will just practise these setup moves and then try to recognize the case faster..

Dennis

 

[Martial]

I think you can learn pure commutators and A9, they can be recognized easily, what do you think about it ?

 

[DennisStrehlau]

I think you can learn pure commutators and A9, they can be recognized easily, what do you think about it ?

I still dont know how much work that would be aaaaaand:
I never used commutators, so i have no idea what EXACTLY commutators are (and also i dont know what A9 ist).

Dennis

 

[DennisStrehlau]

50.82 DNF I did UF instead of DB. Damn!

But then, a few solves later i got a new PB:

57.52 seconds !

I am still solving with pure M2 and OP.

Dennis

 

[Ollie]

3BLD 50.64[23.09] D2 U2 L' F2 L U2 B2 F2 R D2 L F' U F D L' D' B2 L2 D2

No video, stupidly packed it away for my move on Sunday :fp

EDIT:

Memo: sentences with audio for edges, audio loop corners.
Method: Freestyle

 

[Noahaha]

Average of 5: 45.35
1. (DNF(48.69)[14.83]) D2 U2 B2 L2 B' R2 F' D2 F' U2 R2 U' F' L' B2 F D2 L2 B' U B2
2. (43.50[15.99]) B2 F2 U2 L2 B2 D' U2 R2 U' B2 U' L' B' R2 D' R' F L' B2 F U2
3. 45.94[12.92] D2 R F2 L F2 U2 L F2 R' D2 L2 U B' F' L' B D R U2 F'
4. 45.32[12.77] L2 U' R2 D' B2 R2 D' F2 U B2 R2 F L2 F2 U B D2 U' F' R'
5. 44.78[10.96] R' B2 L D2 B2 L2 F2 L U2 L' R' B R U' R' U2 L' F' D B' F2

LOL CONSISTENCY WTF.

 

[DennisStrehlau]

Average of 5: 45.35
1. (DNF(48.69)[14.83]) D2 U2 B2 L2 B' R2 F' D2 F' U2 R2 U' F' L' B2 F D2 L2 B' U B2
2. (43.50[15.99]) B2 F2 U2 L2 B2 D' U2 R2 U' B2 U' L' B' R2 D' R' F L' B2 F U2
3. 45.94[12.92] D2 R F2 L F2 U2 L F2 R' D2 L2 U B' F' L' B D R U2 F'
4. 45.32[12.77] L2 U' R2 D' B2 R2 D' F2 U B2 R2 F L2 F2 U B D2 U' F' R'
5. 44.78[10.96] R' B2 L D2 B2 L2 F2 L U2 L' R' B R U' R' U2 L' F' D B' F2

LOL CONSISTENCY WTF.

Nice. But an average that starts with a DNF? What was the 6th solve like?

Greetings, Dennis

 

[Noahaha]

Nice. But an average that starts with a DNF? What was the 6th solve like?

Greetings, Dennis

DNF

 

[Noahaha]

I've switched to a new main for BLD and everything's going right. It's a white guhong V1 with complete internal lube from thecubicle and halfbright stickers. My execution is MUCH smoother now (probably thanks to no torpedoes), and somehow my memo is faster too, perhaps because the cube is much brighter.

 

[Ollie]

5BLD safety solve practice:

1. 14:04.43
2. 13:41.77
3. DNF(13:01.56) - accidentally forgot to undo an r2 interchange move.
4. 11.39.33

Knowing my luck I'll still probably DNF x3 at UK Open.

 

[DrKorbin]

5BLD safety solve practice:

1. 14:04.43
2. 13:41.77
3. DNF(13:01.56) - accidentally forgot to undo an r2 interchange move.
4. 11.39.33

Knowing my luck I'll still probably DNF x3 at UK Open.

Will you attend Euro?