A New 3x3 Method?

[brunovervoort]

@brunovervoort How so? You don't have to re-grip as much and this is my OH method anyway and if you know anything about OH you only have access to the R and U faces.

Actually, you have to regrip more than usual.

 

[RubiXer]

Actually, you have to regrip more than usual.

Not if you have good algs and good fingertricks

 

[Noahaha]

Noah is crazy. ignore him.

I was being dead serious. An EOCP step in Petrus that does not take much longer than the current EO step could make Petrus a viable method.

 

[brunovervoort]

Not if you have good algs and good fingertricks

Sounds good, send me your algs. I want to be sub 10 with this method, but I don't think I'll reach it without your algs.

 

[mDiPalma]

I was being dead serious. An EOCP step in Petrus that does not take much longer than the current EO step could make Petrus a viable method.

do you have any idea how many cases there would be? let's calculate.

let's say you made like a Porkynator and placed the two DF corners in DF. there are 6 cases for cp, at this point. 2 of which are solved cps. however, you can't take advantage of these solved states cuz u have edges to orient.

ok, now for the eo. you can have 2 adjacent edges on the U layer be wrong. this is 4 cases.
you can also have 2 opposite edges be wrong, this is also 4 cases. note aufing will not work because you also have to manage the cp.
you can have 1 wrong edge on U and 1 wrong edge on f. 16 cases.
you can have 2 adj or opp edges on F wrong. 8 cases.
you can have 4 wrong edges on U OR F. 8 cases
you can have 3 wrong on U and 1 wrong on F. 16 cases
you can have 3 wrong on F and 1 wrong on U. 16 cases.
you can have 2 wrong adjacently on each. 16 cases.
you can have 3 wrong oppositely on each. 16 cases.
you can have 2 wrong adj on U and 2 wrong opp on F. 16 cases
you can have 2 wrong adj on F and 2 wrong opp on U. 16 cases
you can have 4 wrong on U and 2 wrong adj on F. 16 cases
you can have 4 wrong on F and 2 wrong adj on U. 16 cases
you can have 3 wrong on U and 3 on F. 16 cases
you can have 8 wrong. 16 cases

this math is probably wrong. but 16*12.5*6= 1200 cases. and that's after having simplified the situation by placing the DF corners.

EDIT: ya the math is definitely wrong, but it's still in the correct order of magnitude. there are two many cases.

 

[Noahaha]

do you have any idea how many cases there would be? let's calculate.

let's say you made like a Porkynator and placed the two DF corners in DF. there are 6 cases for cp, at this point. 2 of which are solved cps. however, you can't take advantage of these solved states cuz u have edges to orient.

ok, now for the eo. you can have 2 adjacent edges on the U layer be wrong. this is 4 cases.
you can also have 2 opposite edges be wrong, this is also 4 cases. note aufing will not work because you also have to manage the cp.
you can have 1 wrong edge on U and 1 wrong edge on f. 16 cases.
you can have 2 adj or opp edges on F wrong. 8 cases.
you can have 4 wrong edges on U OR F. 8 cases
you can have 3 wrong on U and 1 wrong on F. 16 cases
you can have 3 wrong on F and 1 wrong on U. 16 cases.
you can have 2 wrong adjacently on each. 16 cases.
you can have 3 wrong oppositely on each. 16 cases.
you can have 2 wrong adj on U and 2 wrong opp on F. 16 cases
you can have 2 wrong adj on F and 2 wrong opp on U. 16 cases
you can have 4 wrong on U and 2 wrong adj on F. 16 cases
you can have 4 wrong on F and 2 wrong adj on U. 16 cases
you can have 3 wrong on U and 3 on F. 16 cases
you can have 8 wrong. 16 cases

this math is probably wrong. but 16*12.5*6= 1200 cases. and that's after having simplified the situation by placing the DF corners.

However, once you've identified the CP case, it can be solved intuitively by setting up to algs like R U R' and R U' R' which swap two corners and flip two edges.

 

[RubiXer]

Sounds good, send me your algs. I want to be sub 10 with this method, but I don't think I'll reach it without your algs.

For Oll and Pll or CP or both?

 

[mDiPalma]

@noah

R' F R F', R U R', R U2 R', and R U' R' all swap 2 adjacent corners on the U layer. how would you go about swapping 2 diagonal corners on the U layer?

 

[Noahaha]

R' F R F', R U R', R U2 R', and R U' R' all swap 2 adjacent corners on the U layer. how would you go about swapping 2 diagonal corners on the U layer?

Set it up so they're adjacent.

 

[mDiPalma]

R2 U2 R2 L F U R2 D2 B L2 R' U2 F B' D' L2 F' U2 F U2 D2 B2 U' R B

M' U x' B' U r' F2 r (2x2x2 i know i suck)
U R U R2 U2 R2 y2 (2x2x3)
try eo cp right here

 

[nqwe]

1.I never said you'd get better times I just decided to put my idea out there.
2.The world renounced cubers are all comfortable with there main methods so I doubt they would try to incorporate things like CPLS into their solves.
3.Feliks uses COLL
4. That was really stupid for you to say EO and Blockbuilding are complicated when you listed 2 methods that infact use both EO and Blockbuilding(Roux and ZZ)
and 5.Some of the world's top speedcubers use Roux which uses both EO and Blockbuilding.

Next time think before you post such a contradicting comment

@Noahaha Not quite sure if I understand but your welcome?

You didn't understand.
I said, besides addons such as COLL, etc.
And I meant, EO -> blockbuilding, not EO like in ZZ or blockbuilding like in roux or petrus.
btw, EO in roux is something different than in ZZ for instance; you could say CFOP uses EO, because you need to know how to orient edges

Next time think before you post such a contradicting comment

 

[Noahaha]

R2 U2 R2 L F U R2 D2 B L2 R' U2 F B' D' L2 F' U2 F U2 D2 B2 U' R B

M' U x' B' U r' F2 r (2x2x2 i know i suck)
U R U R2 U2 R2 y2 (2x2x3)
try eo cp right here

CP is done, so:
x' F2 M U M' U2 M U M'


Another example (same scramble):
2x2x2: D L F M' U r' (6)
2x2x3 x' B U B' F U F' (6)
EOCP: y U' M F M' U' F U2 R U' R' (10)
F2L: x y U R U2 R U2 R U' R U' R' U' R (12)
2GLL:

 

[Pascal]

Umm, EO + blockbuilding.. Yeah, but EO + 2x2x3 is like EOLine + Left Block. You only added CP before Right Block from ZZ, so it's just harder version of ZZ.. Good ZZ solver can permute corners while doing right block, after that is also 2GLL. Nothing more to add

EDIT: Compare your solution of @5BLD's scramble with this (ZZ)

D' F2 U' B2 U' R2 D' B2 D2 F2 U F' U R D2 F R' B' L B U

z y' B F R2 D' F // EOLine (5/5)
U' R U' R2 U' L' U L' // Left Block (8/13)
U R' U R U' R2 U R2 // Right Block (8/21)

So..?

 

[Noahaha]

Good ZZ solver can permute corners while doing right block

false

 

[Pascal]

false

Okey, nvm, but this "method" is still like ZZ with added CP. I can add CP to ZZ solution:
L' U R U' L U R' U2 // CP (8/29)
but 29 is still better than 41..

 

[aznanimedude]

Okey, nvm, but this "method" is still like ZZ with added CP.

It's actually more like petrus if you are doing 2x2x2 into 2x2x3. There's no eoline for this to resemble zz. Also zz + cp is zz-d

 

[RubiXer]

You didn't understand.
I said, besides addons such as COLL, etc.
And I meant, EO -> blockbuilding, not EO like in ZZ or blockbuilding like in roux or petrus.
btw, EO in roux is something different than in ZZ for instance; you could say CFOP uses EO, because you need to know how to orient edges

Next time think before you post such a contradicting comment

Oh I thought you meant like, besides Coll makes you slower. Sorry about that but EO is EO

 

[AHornbaker]

Not if you have good algs and good fingertricks

Can you send me your algs? i have been experimenting with petrus method then 2Gen LL for a while

 

[Pyjam]

EDIT: Compare your solution of @5BLD's scramble with this (ZZ)

D' F2 U' B2 U' R2 D' B2 D2 F2 U F' U R D2 F R' B' L B U

z y' B F R2 D' F // EOLine (5/5)
U' R U' R2 U' L' U L' // Left Block (8/13)
U R' U R U' R2 U R2 // Right Block (8/21)

So..?

So, very lucky. And are you color neutral with ZZ ?

Good ZZ solver can permute corners while doing right block, after that is also 2GLL. Nothing more to add

Hum... I would like to learn !

 

[aznanimedude]

teach me master, to be a good ZZ solver that can do CP from right block OTL