[Official] 0.86 Magic Single

[mitch1234]

Pretty good single.

 

[ben1996123]

nice.

 

[brandbest1]

After watching this, I practiced Magic a lot until I achieved a pb single of 0.80.

Nice single though!

 

[kinch2002]

[Insert generic 'magic is dumb' comment here]

Anyway, A6d) The competitor must fully release the puzzle before stopping the timer. Penalty: 2 seconds.
Not convinced this happened. Anyone want to try to get a still shot?

 

[BlueDevil]

[Insert generic 'magic is dumb' comment here]

Anyway, A6d) The competitor must fully release the puzzle before stopping the timer. Penalty: 2 seconds.
Not convinced this happened. Anyone want to try to get a still shot?

Yeah, it didn't look perfect to me either. Also, is one allowed to stop the timer with one's wrists?


EDIT: here's a picture

 

[kinch2002]

Yeah, it didn't look perfect to me either. Also, is one allowed to stop the timer with one's wrists?

A6c) The timer must be stopped using both hands, with both hands flat and palms down. Penalty: 2 seconds.
So no, wrists aren't allowed. It's difficult to tell whether it's the bottom of his hands though.

 

[mitch1234]

Yeah, it didn't look perfect to me either. Also, is one allowed to stop the timer with one's wrists?

The angle was really bad in this shot, and anyway its up to the judges decision whether or not the solve counts.

 

[Mollerz]

Looks fine to me, this is the best shot I could get.

EDIT: Before the right hand reaches the stackmat, puzzle is fully released from his hands.

 

[BlueDevil]

Posted a pic above. Hands are off the puzzle, but he stopped the timer with the very lower part of his hands. i wouldn't necessarily call it his palms, but not his wrists either.

 

[cityzach]

It's a very close call but I think it was an OK stop. And it doesn't really matter anyway since we can't change the results.

 

[cubernya]

It's a very close call but I think it was an OK stop. And it doesn't really matter anyway since we can't change the results.

But you can. I can't find the thread ATM but I remember a 2x2 result was changed because he started with the cube on the timer. Of course, this is much more controversial, but if there is definitive proof, then it would most likely be changed to a 2.86+

 

[megaminxwin]

I just slowed it down in iMovie, and it looks pretty legit to me. Nice solve!

 

[Bob]

Should be a +2. Hands are not flat.

A6c) The timer must be stopped using both hands, with both hands flat and palms down. Penalty: 2 seconds.

 

[PatrickJameson]

Should be a +2. Hands are not flat.

A6c) The timer must be stopped using both hands, with both hands flat and palms down. Penalty: 2 seconds.

Flat is both pretty subjective and incredibly hard to judge in real time. His hands are more flat in some frames than others.

 

[Kirjava]

anyway its up to the judges decision whether or not the solve counts.

The WCA Board can retroactively +2 results. They've done it before.

Anyhoo, this is why magic shouldn't be an event.

 

[ben1996123]

 

[Bob]

Flat is both pretty subjective and incredibly hard to judge in real time. His hands are more flat in some frames than others.

I agree. It is extremely difficult to judge magic in real time. For that reason, we always have our most experienced judges for the event in the Northeast. I'm just saying that if I was the judge, it would have been 2.86. I interpret the rule as having hands flat to the mat. When the hands are left hovering in the air, it means it is possible the competitor was touching the puzzle below and it makes it more difficult to judge.

 

[Kian]

Given this view I would say that's a +2 at best. I'm not even convinced he wasn't touching the puzzle when he stopped it. That being said, I will capitulate to Ravi's judging given his proximity.

 

[PatrickJameson]

I agree. It is extremely difficult to judge magic in real time. For that reason, we always have our most experienced judges for the event in the Northeast. I'm just saying that if I was the judge, it would have been 2.86. I interpret the rule as having hands flat to the mat. When the hands are left hovering in the air, it means it is possible the competitor was touching the puzzle below and it makes it more difficult to judge.

What if the competitor touches the timer with the fingertips and bends his/her hand down at the knuckles? Their hands are not flat but it is clearly a legitimate solve that would have to be +2. In fact, the palms are not even down, they're pointed forward.

I would say maybe the rule should be changed to "fingers touching the sensors" but that would make a lot of solves illegitimate.

 

[mitch1234]

Given this view I would say that's a +2 at best. I'm not even convinced he wasn't touching the puzzle when he stopped it. That being said, I will capitulate to Ravi's judging given his proximity.

Yes, but if Ravi says the solve is okay is that going to be the final word or is the board going to still have to talk about it?