Online Piracy Poll

[Kirjava]

Well you may not value your videos so much

You don't quite understand where I'm coming from.

I like making videos, they're important to me and I like showing them to other people. I'm not doing it to make money or so that people RATE COMMENT AND SUBSCRIBE to me, I'm doing it so I can show people - and this means that where they are viewing the video does not matter to me too much.

Just because I'm uploading my videos because I want to and not for money doesn't mean I don't value them.

Interesting to find out that your motives for making videos are profit driven though - it explains all the "sorry I haven't made a made video for a while" etc bs that plagues channels like yours. Your channel would be better if you just made videos because you wanted to, instead of feeling like you had to.

 

[qqwref]

This is an interesting thread. I'm not going to vote on the poll though.

The concept of intellectual property piracy is pretty new, and I think it's too early to predict what things will be like in the long term. The thing is, piracy of intellectual property has been around forever, but never really got much attention. Libraries have allowed millions of people to read books without paying the author per read, and museums have allowed millions of people to look at art without necessarily paying the artist per view. Movie rental stores have been around for decades, and the movie's producers didn't get any extra money for each viewing of the film. It could be argued that it is naive to think a musician or a game company deserves money for each download, and that getting a copy of a song or game without buying it deprives the author of revenue. Or maybe digital downloading is fundamentally different from looking at a painting you don't own or reading a book you didn't buy. I'm not completely sure.

PS: If anyone is worrying that their piracy will hurt poorer media producers (such as the people who make indie games), remember that you are always free to donate money. The Humble Indie Bundle more or less works off this concept (with no minimum donation the download is essentially free), although the donation and free download are done together.

 

[blakedacuber]

Saw an interveiw on youtube interviewing eminem and they asked him what he do if somone infront of him in a bus was illegaly his response was id let them do it because its the modern world and thats what people do


I agree with kir though i mean if its it free for someone to access why not have it for free? You could pay for it yeah and if i think the artist /developer or whatever deserves money then yeah ill pay for it but if its a thing im not gunna use everyday like solidworks why would i bother buying it?

 

[Me Myself & Pi]

You don't quite understand where I'm coming from... Just because I'm uploading my videos because I want to and not for money doesn't mean I don't value them.

True.

Interesting to find out that your motives for making videos are profit driven though - it explains all the "sorry I haven't made a made video for a while" etc bs that plagues channels like yours. Your channel would be better if you just made videos because you wanted to, instead of feeling like you had to.

Well I certainly wouldn't be putting as much time into my videos if it weren't for the money. But this topic should be reserved for another thread.

 

[insane569]

Well I certainly wouldn't be putting as much time into my videos if it weren't for the money. But this topic should be reserved for another thread.

Well if you're only making cubing vids for money then I would suggest stoping. Cubing is my hobby as well as many others and I know I put in as much effort into all my cubing vids regardless of if I make any bit of money. Even if its something simple like an Ao5 or something. Its my hobby, I love it and I do it with pride because I'm good at it. Not because I wanna make money off of a little ad on my videos. Get your motives straight.

 

[Cheese11]

Well if you're only making cubing vids for money then I would suggest stoping. Cubing is my hobby as well as many others and I know I put in as much effort into all my cubing vids regardless of if I make any bit of money. Even if its something simple like an Ao5 or something. Its my hobby, I love it and I do it with pride because I'm good at it. Not because I wanna make money off of a little ad on my videos. Get your motives straight.

Come on, not everybody has the same motives for doing things. At least respect that.

 

[asportking]

I think a lot of people exaggerate on how much pirating hurts the company. It's not like they're stealing money straight from the company. Most people who have downloaded movies/music for free wouldn't have bought it if they had to pay for it.

 

[Andrew Ricci]

I have never illegally downloaded anything off the internet. I enjoy supporting artists and developers I like, and no matter how you look at it, piracy only harms the people who make content you consume. The only paid content I think should be downloaded for free are covers and adaptations of other's work. If the people who made the cover or adaptation didn't originally make what they produced, they don't really deserve any profits from it. (Although I have bought many covers)

 

[emolover]

I know it takes a lot of money to make movies and video games, but how much could it have really cost to make Sony Vegas 10 Pro or Coral Paint? I really do not know but if it took lets say $100,000 to make Vegas 10 and it cost $800 if you buy it, that means it takes 125 people for them to make backt there initial investment of making the product. Clearly more than 125 people have forked over the $800 so the people who made it are clearly not in trouble of not making there money back. I know there is more then 1 person involved in making it but if 5000 people paid for it that is 4,000,000 which if the product was made by 100(doubt it), they would make 40,000 if it was split evenly.

My point is is that they make enough money off of these program's and music(probably) to the point where they are just being greedy if they care about the pirating.

 

[aronpm]

If the people who made the cover or adaptation didn't originally make what they produced, they don't really deserve any profits from it. (Although I have bought many covers)

Yeah, it's not like it's hard work to make a cover or adaptation. It's easy work and nobody should ever be paid for it.

 

[Athefre]

I think a lot of people exaggerate on how much pirating hurts the company. It's not like they're stealing money straight from the company. Most people who have downloaded movies/music for free wouldn't have bought it if they had to pay for it.

I used to be into PS3 Gamesharing. I would create or join groups that vote on games to download as they release and we all would split the price five ways and could play the games on our own PS3s any time. I know that if I hadn't been a part of those groups, I would have bought only one or two of the ~40 games we accumulated.

That's 40 sales for the publishers/developers where if the group hadn't been created, there would have been many fewer.

 

[Zarxrax]

First of all, anyone who says they don't pirate anything is either a hypocrite, a liar, or just ignorant.
I guarantee you that you have pirated something. I GUARANTEE IT.

Next, I can find no logical fault in piracy.
We are sharing and duplicating things. How is that bad?

Is piracy bad because you don't pay someone because you enjoyed their product?
Ok, let's follow this line of thought. Let's say I buy a video game and play it. Then I trade that game to someone else for another game that I want. I never bought the 2nd game, and the creator never saw any additional revenue, though I obtained it fair and square. Did I do something bad? I enjoyed a game without letting the creator profit.

Let's say I go to the park and sit on a bench. I am getting enjoyment and relaxation from that bench. Should I owe money to the guy who created it? Why not? Seriously think about this. Why can many people enjoy sitting on a bench, while the bench creator gets no residual profit from each sitting? He put time and effort into creating that bench, then someone buys it, one lump sum, and then lots of people can come by and just keep using it. Why can't this same logic apply to a song? Someone buys a song, then he lets others enjoy and listen to it. What is the actual difference here?

 

[Andrew Ricci]

Yeah, it's not like it's hard work to make a cover or adaptation. It's easy work and nobody should ever be paid for it.

Honestly, most covers don't actually add anything to an original song. There are, obviously, many exceptions, such as Johnny Cash's cover of Hurt, in which there was clearly a lot of effort put into. I happily paid $1.29 for that song, and others like Nirvana's cover of Lake of Fire, and Pearl Jam's cover of Last Kiss. Many other covers clearly don't have much effort put into them, and it's not too hard to tell where this exists.

If an artist makes a great cover that adds greatly to the original song, I will happily pay, believe me. Without the effort to make a song theirs, I probably wouldn't pay.

 

[Athefre]

Let's say I go to the park and sit on a bench. I am getting enjoyment and relaxation from that bench. Should I owe money to the guy who created it? Why not? Seriously think about this. Why can many people enjoy sitting on a bench, while the bench creator gets no residual profit from each sitting? He put time and effort into creating that bench, then someone buys it, one lump sum, and then lots of people can come by and just keep using it. Why can't this same logic apply to a song? Someone buys a song, then he lets others enjoy and listen to it. What is the actual difference here?

The bench designer/builder has already been paid for his or her work, probably by a government. From where does the video game designer, programmer, etc. receive his or her millions?

 

[Cool Frog]

I have never illegally downloaded anything off the internet. I enjoy supporting artists and developers I like, and no matter how you look at it, piracy only harms the people who make content you consume. The only paid content I think should be downloaded for free are covers and adaptations of other's work. If the people who made the cover or adaptation didn't originally make what they produced, they don't really deserve any profits from it. (Although I have bought many covers)

So what are your views of libraries, or places like blockbuster?

 

[Zarxrax]

The bench designer/builder has already been paid for his or her work, probably by a government. From where does the video game designer, programmer, etc. receive his or her millions?

Are you seriously saying that a bench builder makes millions? Per bench?

 

[Andrew Ricci]

So what are your views of libraries, or places like blockbuster?

Movies and books are much different than music or games, at least for me. With movies, I really only ever end up watching them once or twice, and then never really again. This is similar to books, although I often end up reading a good book 3+ times. As far as the businesses themselves, since the copies of books and movies have already been paid for, I see no reason why people shouldn't be able to use them once for free. If they want to again later, then they can re-rent them. I don't see anything wrong with that. Honestly, if someone finds a book or movie they rented to be good enough, they'll probably purchase a copy to own anyway.

Something I don't really know (that someone else might be able to inform me about) is whether some of Blockbuster's sales go to the producers themselves. That wouldn't really change my opinion, though, as they have already purchased the movies/games.

That is really the part that makes me differentiate between piracy and free (or less expensive) but restricted use. You can rent a book as many times as you want for free, but that ends up being a bit of a hassle having to return and re-rent it so many times, people will likely just buy it if they enjoy it enough.

 

[Athefre]

Are you seriously saying that a bench builder makes millions? Per bench?

No. That was just a poor random number. Video game programmers don't make millions per game either.

 

[aronpm]

No. That was just a poor random number. Video game programmers don't make millions per game either.

Unless you're Notch.

 

[Specs112]

Unless you're Notch.

And he doesn't need millions since all he owns and all he will ever need to own is that hat.