Using others' critiques to get to sub-11 average.

Not so much luck, I just sort of get on a roll. I have really good days and really bad days, it sort of depends.

Wow. You definitely focus better than I do.

When I do averages of 100, I usually fluctuate tremendously. I'll be on a roll for 11 or 12 solves, then I'll be totally out of it for 12+ solves, then I'll be back in the zone again, out of the zone again, etc. It's really annoying. I jealous.

Anyone have any tips on how to practice?

And I'll do an average of 100 tonight if I can. I'll upload the best Ao12 while I'm sleeping and link it here in the morning. Sorry I'm behind. I've been so busy lately...
 
Alright, here we go! Got the video.... But I lost the scrambles. Sorry about that... Next time, I won't lose them!!


11.78
(11.69)
12.96
12.52
(DNF)
12.68
13.46
12.43
12.38
12.22
12.58***
13.40

***(technically a DNF, but I needed to leave for work soon, so I counted it anyway. A corner flipped during the A-perm because my Lunhui was kinda loose.)

EDIT: bump!
 
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Bump.

I thought I'd revive this old thread of mine just to document my progress, because I'm gonna get a sub-10 average if it's the last thing I do.

So, I've figured out some things that weren't obvious to me before and really should have been.

1. theanonymouscuber was quite right: Many of my algorithm executions are terrible. (You think I would have just taken his advice the first time... hehehe. But I'm glad I discovered it again myself. I need to be able to point out my own mistakes.) This is due to getting lazy when turning--which causes mistakes--and then subsequently neglecting to correct the mistake to prevent it from happening again, which only built bad habits. For this reason, I lock up and lose control of my cube very often and unnecessarily. There are actually some algorithms that I can mess up in the same place very, very consistently, which is sad. Very sad.

2. I still don't know how to look at a cube and see the entire thing. When I look at a piece, it's almost like my eyes are dragged along with it, so for example, when I find a corner and edge to slot, I'll end up staring at that piece, then I'll have a giant pause between that C/E pair and the next one, which is usually filled up by AUFs, so it wasn't as apparent to me before. I need to learn to really widen my awareness of my peripheral vision and never keep my eyes on any specific piece for any reason.

3. I should really try out some more of that BLD-in-parts solving thing, you know, where you do the cross without looking, then open your eyes, then close your eyes again and do 2 F2L slots, then open your eyes again and then close them again and do 2 more F2L slots. Or I could switch it up and to ex-cross, then 2 F2L slots, then last F2L slot + EOLL, or last F2L slot + F2LL, idk, something like that. I notice that often times I will spot two C/E slots, then end up pausing and thinking about what I'll do with them, and then I'll try to actually do it, and after the 1st pair is inserted, I'll realize that my original plan of action for the 2nd pair was COMPLETELY wrong. In short, I really need to teach my brain to do stuff for me more accurately. My brain is pretty fail right now, but I will work on this!

4. I need a better camera because it's really hard to analyze my cubing with this terrible webcam that is installed in the Macbook.

5. Relaxing more would help. The timer really does a great job of psyching me out. Maybe if I just used the timer more often, this probably would disappear.

6. Again, theanonymouscuber was right: I need to learn more F2L tricks. My F2L times are way too inconsistent due to some tricks that I've come up with myself that might not be fantastic. Maybe some new LL algs would help too, but I guess that's last priority... or is it?

7. I really gotta stop DNFing and +2ing so often. Last slot + LL practice might help with that. At the same time, I could work on my transition from last slot to OLL and from OLL to PLL.

8. My left and right hands are not just a little imbalanced. They're TOTALLY imbalanced. My left hand can't even do half the algorithms my right hand can do, and the flexibility in the two hands are totally uneven, left hand being significantly less flexible than the right.

9. Not surprisingly, keeping the cube farther away from my face helps a bit.

So, my first order of business is to fix my accursed F2L algorithms and improve my hand flexibility. I'm basically going to go back through all my algorithms and double check to make sure they're the most efficient algorithms I can pull off, and to make sure I can perform each one on my left side exactly the way I perform it on my right side as well as make sure I can do it consistently at some speed. I hope that this will make my F2L a bit more continuous and naturally improve my look ahead slightly, and then I'll do the same with OLL and PLL (probably PLL first because my PLLs have WAY too many problems), and then I'll go from there.

In the meantime, I will try to learn at least one algorithm per day, though I'd really like to stretch my limits. I want to start with learning one on the first day, then learn 2 on the second day, then learn 3 on the third day, and continue until I find my break point, though I can't guarantee anything right now since I've been swamped with work at school lately. English class is really messing with my head!

So, watch out for upcoming videos about my F2L problems. I may need help learning how to execute these a bit better. Video responses will be greatly appreciated once a video is posted.

Thanks guys!
 
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Interesting stuff. For the timer problem try timing with a stackmat maybe?
As for algs, perhaps it's not your execution at fault, it's that you should switch to an alg which works for you better?

Although I've never hit a wall I think it'd be good to analyse my solves here and post my problems here, and solutions. (forgive me if this is totally not the point of this thread)
 
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and to make sure I can perform each one on my left side exactly the way I perform it on my right side as well as make sure I can do it consistently at some speed.

Be carefull there: you do not perse have to execute them in the exact same way.
Experiment a little; you may find that different algs / grips / fingertricks work better for a specific hand.
I know most my PLL's in left and right hand versions and I definitely do not perform them exactly the same way.
example: with righthand J- and T -perm I do the F' with an upward flick of my index finger.
With my left hand I use my thumb.
I just cannot do it the same for both hands :)
 
Interesting stuff. For the timer problem try timing with a stackmat maybe?
As for algs, perhaps it's not your execution at fault, it's that you should switch to an alg which works for you better?

Although I've never hit a wall I think it'd be good to analyse my solves here and post my problems here, and solutions. (forgive me if this is totally not the point of this thread)

You know what, man? Go for it. You've really been very responsive and supportive every time I post something that other people often find a little bit crazy. (hopefully that doesn't mean we're both crazy!) Please. Go for it.

And you know what? If anyone else wants to do that too, then please, go for it. HD cameras are oh-so-welcome-any-day-of-the-week when recording averages for critiquing.

Be carefull there: you do not perse have to execute them in the exact same way.
Experiment a little; you may find that different algs / grips / fingertricks work better for a specific hand.
I know most my PLL's in left and right hand versions and I definitely do not perform them exactly the same way.
example: with righthand J- and T -perm I do the F' with an upward flick of my index finger.
With my left hand I use my thumb.
I just cannot do it the same for both hands :)

I would have done that, but the thing is.... I like learning new finger tricks. I'm the same, except the other way around. I can do F' with my thumb on my right side, and I can do F better on my left side with my index finger, but I never really liked it, and I like evenness, and since technically I can do an F' with my index finger on my right side, too, I thought it'd be good to learn to do an F with my left hand thumb. I was annoyed by it for a while, but then I finally decided to just stick with it, and now I can do it. Not effortlessly, but MUCH more consistently than before, and it's actually VERY useful. The main reason I did that was because I also want to learn how to do every OLL and PLL on my left side. Yeah, it seems pointless, but the it's really just fine motor skill brain training. If I keep my brain confused, I'll keep my brain sharp too. The LH OLLs will actually come in handy. The LH PLLs? Not so much. Maybe LH G-perms. I can already do two of the G-perms LH (the ones that start with R2). The other two seemed kind of pointless to learn LH, but I'm going to learn them eventually, too.

My left hand is also very weak. It doesn't hurt to do every algorithm I can on my left hand too, just to strengthen it up.

Here's something else I'm learning to do, if you'd like to know: L U L', using my left thumb for the U. I'm actually going to use it to speed up one of my F2L algs, just slightly. I can do the algorithm faster on my right side using that finger trick. It's this one: R U2 (R' U' R) U2 R'. (Setup is R U2 R' U R U2 R')
 
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HD is such a pain to upload+edit+record, but here it is :D
I randomly did 5 solves and slow-moed the first three, although in retrospect i should've slow-moed the last one :/

anyway, I'll analyse and post my findings here, anyone else feel free to analyse too :)

Analysis
First solve 2.5/3/2.5/2.5 = 10.5
Small lock-up of the first block last pair, cost me over 05s.. It was well planned though. Turn style was a bit jerky. Turn more smoothly and accurately

Transition to second block was pretty good too, but I didn't look ahead for the next pair early enough.

CMLL recognition took at least a second- this should be worked on. Do some practice on CMLL for once ;)

Hesitation for edge orientation. Managed Non Matching Centres pretty well however. Predict EO during CMLL, because I can. I just forget to.

EDIT: gonna do the rest later

Second solve 2/2.5/2/2.5 = 9.0
Fifth solve 1.5/2.5/2/2.5 = 8.5
 
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I liked reading this and seeing how I need to work on some little things like left hand turns or recognition.

In 5BLD's video, it looked like in one of your solves, you did second block and without any hesitiation/stopping you executed cmll immediately. I need to work on that.
 
Yah, I need to work on that too. It's one of the things I can do, but always forget to. Like I don't need to work on CMLL prediction, i need to remember to do it :)
 
Did you read my edit to my above (above) post btw?
Also what do you think of my solves? Like if you don't mind watch one of the solves and analyse it like I did for me.
 
Did you read my edit to my above (above) post btw?
Also what do you think of my solves? Like if you don't mind watch one of the solves and analyse it like I did for me.

I need to upload slow mo video.

For you.
Last solve of video. At 3:06 exact.
Small second block pause to look for pieces.
Hesitations during SB. Ex: U..U..U'.. ( I think it was a hesitation. Could just be CMLL)

Lse is fine.
 
Constructive Criticism?

First Block so easy, i know lololol

At 0:14, you did a really awkward R2', and I think that messed up your TPS for a split second. Maybe going the other way would have been better.

Full one-second pause before CMLL. Shame. See if you can make that half a second. (I have that problem too with OLLs and PLLs too, though.)

Do you know any way to double trigger that last algorithm? I've tried a way, but setting up for is really awkward and takes away time too... I'll post a video to see about that alg, to see if the method I made up is anything worth trying...

Though I can't really say much. I don't use Roux. Sorry!

Edit: 5BLD could probably help you more.
 
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Hey, you know, I've been wanting to make some more cubing friends. If you guys would like, we can Skype sometime and try to critique each other. Or maybe oovoo, since skype doesn't allow group calls without subscriptions. If you're game, PM me!

Also, there is something I have discovered: psychological boosts actually do help sometime. If you cube with the thought that if you don't get to some certain goal by such and such time, you'll find yourself messing up a lot less. Or, for example, before you start a solve, if you try to sort of remind yourself to keep your eyes open and looking for the next step, your eyes might start to suddenly find it easier. Not to say this is a process that happens by itself. It really is a self-motivation technique, which means it's all you.

I remember when I went to China to train in table tennis for a month. I saw a kid training in multiball with one of the teachers. He missed about 3 out of 20 balls, which is pretty amazing IMO, but by the third missed ball, instead of feeding the ball to him, the teacher slapped the ball at his face and said "你要在这儿吗!?” which basically means, "DO YOU WANT TO BE HERE OR NOT??" He stopped, caught his breath, had shame on his face, and then the teacher continued feeding balls to him. He didn't miss another one after that. I thought that was just incredible.

I applied that idea to myself. Whenever I was doing multiball training, I kept telling myself, do you want to be here or not? The fact that I was going to leave after a month only made me work harder. I found myself messing up A LOT less than usual, and my focus improved tremendously. I've always had terrible focus, so this psychological strategy really worked wonders for my game! I'm also trying to apply this idea to my cubing to see what it does.

When you tell your brain to improve merely because you said so, you find your brain can do a whole lot more than you thought it could!
 
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Sure, add me on skype. What do you think of my video?

As for motivation you reminded me of something I've had recently.
I'd get like a 9.0x avg5 or of whatever until I realise I'm doing well. Then the thought immediately hits me "if the next solve is **** then this average will suck". When I get this thought I begin to get worse and worse, with mid 10s, which enrage me.

With that rage I do even worse, and by the time i get 14s I'm furious and have no idea why I'm doing so badly. And a few minutes later i wonder why I got angry so easily.

Now I remind myself that it doesn't matter what the times are, the aim is to simply practice. Telling yourself "be calm" very rarely helps me.

With this philosophy I just got my first sub-10 avg100, whilst yesterday the feeling hit me a bit and made a sub-9.9 avg50 to 10.0x avg100. Today I reminded myself that it doesn't matter, and just practice, and there we go, easy peasy sub-10 avg100. Of course I could've gotten better but the feeling still hit me a bit. I had a high 8 avg5, 9.0x avg12 and 9.6 avg50.
 
Sure, add me on skype. What do you think of my video?

As for motivation you reminded me of something I've had recently.
I'd get like a 9.0x avg5 or of whatever until I realise I'm doing well. Then the thought immediately hits me "if the next solve is **** then this average will suck". When I get this thought I begin to get worse and worse, with mid 10s, which enrage me.

With that rage I do even worse, and by the time i get 14s I'm furious and have no idea why I'm doing so badly. And a few minutes later i wonder why I got angry so easily.

Now I remind myself that it doesn't matter what the times are, the aim is to simply practice. Telling yourself "be calm" very rarely helps me.

With this philosophy I just got my first sub-10 avg100, whilst yesterday the feeling hit me a bit and made a sub-9.9 avg50 to 10.0x avg100. Today I reminded myself that it doesn't matter, and just practice, and there we go, easy peasy sub-10 avg100. Of course I could've gotten better but the feeling still hit me a bit. I had a high 8 avg5, 9.0x avg12 and 9.6 avg50.

Now I feel like I know what I'm doing wrong.
I know I have the potential to go as fast as you guys, but the thought of what 5BLD said flooded understanding into my mind.

My times suck because when I get a bad time, I start to feel like I'm going to suck later in the average, which will ruin the average, which did ruin the average. Now, I'm going to practice on what I'm going to improve and then I think I'll get better.

I have to stop cubing, because my mom confiscated all them, because she thinks I practice too much.
 
Sure, add me on skype. What do you think of my video?

As for motivation you reminded me of something I've had recently.
I'd get like a 9.0x avg5 or of whatever until I realise I'm doing well. Then the thought immediately hits me "if the next solve is **** then this average will suck". When I get this thought I begin to get worse and worse, with mid 10s, which enrage me.

With that rage I do even worse, and by the time i get 14s I'm furious and have no idea why I'm doing so badly. And a few minutes later i wonder why I got angry so easily.

Now I remind myself that it doesn't matter what the times are, the aim is to simply practice. Telling yourself "be calm" very rarely helps me.

With this philosophy I just got my first sub-10 avg100, whilst yesterday the feeling hit me a bit and made a sub-9.9 avg50 to 10.0x avg100. Today I reminded myself that it doesn't matter, and just practice, and there we go, easy peasy sub-10 avg100. Of course I could've gotten better but the feeling still hit me a bit. I had a high 8 avg5, 9.0x avg12 and 9.6 avg50.

Me thinks it is not philosophy, but psychology!

That doesn't work for me.... It only works, like... every few months. I'll get some randomly nice average of 12, and then i'm plateaued.

If I'm just focused on practicing, I don't get good times. In fact, I get terrible times because when I say "I'm focused on practicing," it's very different from when YOU say "I'm focused on practicing." I'm not really focused when I say that.

If you'd like to know, with a different method, I actually got a very nice F2L average of 12. 8.09, which is a PB, but doesn't count for anything because I was breaking the 15-second inspection limit on purpose. I've been around those times for a very long time though, which is annoying, and being annoyed is distracting too, like rage is distracting for you and me and most other cubers. Before every solve, I made sure to tell myself exactly what I need to do before every solve, because I forget a lot. Often times I literally just forget to think. So, I actually need to practice on specific things outside of timing, like things I actually need to work on, and then when I'm timing, I need to bring everything I've practiced that day together and focus on it for very short amounts of time, I think, which requires remining myself of everything I need to do before I actually start the solve, and also visualize and feel out what I'm going to do at the intro of the solve before I do it. And I actually told myself aloud to "calm down and THINK" before the solves, too.

It's kinda funny that I literally have to remind myself to think. Sometimes, even when I remind myself to think, I forget because I'm too focused on making an X-cross, so then I have this gynormous pause, and then I'm like, "Oh, poopy." :(

So, I don't think that was quite the right way to think when you said "if the next solve is **** then this average will suck." That moved the focus towards getting a good time and not towards the actual actions necessary for getting a good time. That's why I the main reason why I plateau a lot. I'm more worried about getting good times and not the actions necessary.

So, basically, I need to practice focusing. As for you, you're probably doing a better job of focusing, or maybe you're just an awesome cuber. But either way, focusing on what you need to do is necessary. That's probably what happens when you tell yourself to just practice.

But yeah, in conclusion, my focus is horrible.

Since that last F2L average was so successful, I'm gonna try something out for the next month or so. I'm going to focus solely on F2L in practice. I wanna try training just a few things at a time. Don't care about OH, BLD, or even LL. Just focusing on Cross and F2L.

Basically, I'm going to do four stages in my training: algorithm training, burst-speed execution solving, BLD-in-parts, and slow-solving. The focus of the first two is simply to get through the algorithms without lock-ups. The second is to stretch my brain out a bit and hopefully improve my visual-spacial intelligence. The last is, of course, to practice look ahead. I'm not doing any one of them for more than 20-25 minutes at a time. And I will always use the timer, because I need to learn not to be distracted by it. And also the finger stretches. Those will always be necessary. In the end, this is all meant for practicing focus.

Oh, and gratz on your sub-10 average of 100!
 
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Me thinks it is not philosophy, but psychology!

I hate to feel like I'm deliberately manipulating myself psychologically. The psychology for me is simple: just let everything go and just relax. (Sounds weird this way put but: be happy!)
When i think of it as psychology I feel things get too serious, I dunno, that's just the way my mind works. The funny thing is that I am very interested in psychology for other things but for cubing I just like to think that everything is natural.
Again, that contradicts the fact that I notice psychologically i work best in a calm mindset. Mehhh.

That doesn't work for me.... It only works, like... every few months. I'll get some randomly nice average of 12, and then i'm plateaued.

If I'm just focused on practicing, I don't get good times. In fact, I get terrible times because when I say "I'm focused on practicing," it's very different from when YOU say "I'm focused on practicing." I'm not really focused when I say that.
Maybe you're not focussing what you're focusing when you tell yourself to focus on practice. For me, again, if I think of focusing, then I just lose focus straight away and i start to get angry. When I say 'focus on just practicing' means... I don't care if I get bad times. And funnily enough with this philosophy I very rarely do. However to stop my brain from saying 'hang on a minute how are you tracking your progress' I reply saying 'I will do an average tonight. Right now my focus is practicing.'

The Psychology of this is that I no longer feel pressured. Even if I get a bad time it really doesn't matter to me genuinely. I think when you say 'just practice don't worry about times' what you're subconsciously saying is '5BLD says that this will help me get good times. I'll be very angry if I don't get good times with this philosophy'. This obviously leads to you getting angry with bad times, and this being further suppressed by the fact you're making yourself 'focus on practicing only' only makes matters worse and you get more and more angry.

NB: Please please if all of this is wrong don't be offended; i'm writing what I'm thinking as I go along. All this might not even make sense.

If you'd like to know, with a different method, I actually got a very nice F2L average of 12. 8.09, which is a PB, but doesn't count for anything because I was breaking the 15-second inspection limit on purpose. I've been around those times for a very long time though, which is annoying, and being annoyed is distracting too, like rage is distracting for you and me and most other cubers. Before every solve, I made sure to tell myself exactly what I need to do before every solve, because I forget a lot. Often times I literally just forget to think. So, I actually need to practice on specific things outside of timing, like things I actually need to work on, and then when I'm timing, I need to bring everything I've practiced that day together and focus on it for very short amounts of time, I think, which requires remining myself of everything I need to do before I actually start the solve, and also visualize and feel out what I'm going to do at the intro of the solve before I do it. And I actually told myself aloud to "calm down and THINK" before the solves, too.

Yes absolutely. Do you sometimes get the feeling that you don't want to practice a certain step because you'll be angry when you realise that you're bad at it?
As for remembering to think, well, obviously thinking is a good thing but I find 'up-front' thinking is just slow. I like to think of it as this: the mind comes up with a thought and if it's an up-front thought it translates it into something coherent, like into English or something. As I said eariler I may be completely and utterly wrong but these are my thoughts. Whilst I find quick thinking just happens with a completely blank mind and total focus. So focussed and not thinking 'ok this pair goes there' but sub-consciously kind of acknowledging that it's there and you know straight away to solve it and then you do this CMLL and watch how the edges move so you know you've got this 4a+4b case and then you know you'll get a 4c skip and then you drop the cube put your hands on the timer.
You don't go "This red-blue pair moves here so now I need to look for the red pair which is over here"; you do this all quickly subconsciously rather than processing everything 'directly' in the moment.

As for being calm. Whenever I remind myslef to be calm due to the circumstances my rage just builds up, being suppressed and this is not such a good thing. Well at least this is what i think happens.

It's kinda funny that I literally have to remind myself to think. Sometimes, even when I remind myself to think, I forget because I'm too focused on making an X-cross, so then I have this gynormous pause, and then I'm like, "Oh, poopy."

I sometimes plan though the first block and the first second block square, then when I pick up the cube I'm like, so what was the first block again? I think this is similar to what you have. Now that I have noticed this though I've been doing this a lot lot less.

So, I don't think that was quite the right way to think when you said "if the next solve is **** then this average will suck." That moved the focus towards getting a good time and not towards the actual actions necessary for getting a good time. That's why I the main reason why I plateau a lot. I'm more worried about getting good times and not the actions necessary.

No absolutely not. That is not the right way to think, which is what I said. For me my best focus is when I'm focused on simply solving- the whole solve as a whole moreso, not 'remembering to use BBF2L' or 'remembering to turn fast on LSE'.

So, basically, I need to practice focusing. As for you, you're probably doing a better job of focusing, or maybe you're just an awesome cuber. But either way, focusing on what you need to do is necessary. That's probably what happens when you tell yourself to just practice.

But yeah, in conclusion, my focus is horrible.

If you're focussed on trying to focus, I find you start to lose focus of the aim to focus but more focussing on the fact that you HAVE to focus. WHen you try to focus on remembering to focus IMO you lose focus of what you're trying to focus on in the first place.

Since that last F2L average was so successful, I'm gonna try something out for the next month or so. I'm going to focus solely on F2L in practice. I wanna try training just a few things at a time. Don't care about OH, BLD, or even LL. Just focusing on Cross and F2L.

Basically, I'm going to do four stages in my training: algorithm training, burst-speed execution solving, BLD-in-parts, and slow-solving. The focus of the first two is simply to get through the algorithms without lock-ups. The second is to stretch my brain out a bit and hopefully improve my visual-spacial intelligence. The last is, of course, to practice look ahead. I'm not doing any one of them for more than 20-25 minutes at a time. And I will always use the timer, because I need to learn not to be distracted by it. And also the finger stretches. Those will always be necessary. In the end, this is all meant for practicing focus.

Nice plan :)
I prefer to have variety in my practice however... As for alg execution without lockups I find the problem most have with algs is they know what move to do next so they go do said move before they are even finished with the previous move, causing a lockup or explosion.

Oh, and gratz on your sub-10 average of 100!
Thanks, it's a relief now that people won't say 'oh but your avg100 is only 10.08' not that I actually bothered to do an avg100 for once...
 
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