Kirjava
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Is anyone strongly against removing these events? If so, why?
It should be obvious why these events should be removed.
Do not discuss the removal of any other events in this thread.
I personally don't partake in the magics and don't think they're cool/useful but I do see a lot of young people who get to participate in competitions (such as Takao's children, Bryan's children etc) and I would be sad to think that they couldn't participate anymore.
Magics oftentimes get run quickly during lunch or other events and don't seem to hold competitions behind or anything.
There is no reason why Magics should be removed,there is no way to cheat in Magic unless if you are starting/stopping the timer wrong.
The only people that don't like Magic are the people who just aren't good at it, and think it is there right to say that Magic sucks.
I feel that no WCA events should ever be removed because they were made an event for a reason.
I know that most people don't like how magics are so easy to break but some 3x3's pop, no puzzle is perfect there is always flaws. In the end it should remain an event.
Considering one of the WCA's main goals is fun, I think that the amount of fun some people have doing the Magic events in competitions is enough to prevent its removal. The fact that some people don't like the event, for various reasons, doesn't outweigh the potential removed fun of other competitors. I note that all events which were removed in the past were either (a) very unpopular, or (b) very hard to organize (e.g. old multi). Magic is neither.This decision should not be made on an emotional basis. Do what is correct.
The Magic/Master Magic itself is a puzzle, although the current event does not take advantage of this property.The problem is that it is not a puzzle.
That's a really big 'unless' there. And you certainly didn't give a good reason to keep it there.There is no reason why Magics should be removed,there is no way to cheat in Magic unless if you are starting/stopping the timer wrong.
Wat. Just think for a second and you'll realise that unfortunately that wasn't true. I'm 9th in the world (at the WCs anyway ) and I hate it.The only people that don't like Magic are the people who just aren't good at it, and think it is there right to say that Magic sucks.
Do you even know how all the events were originally decided? Clearly notI feel that no WCA events should ever be removed because they were made an event for a reason.
That's a very minor reason that people could bring against it. There's much much stronger argumentsI know that most people don't like how magics are so easy to break but some 3x3's pop, no puzzle is perfect there is always flaws. In the end it should remain an event.
There's no need to have these. They're not twisty puzzles. The only reason I see for keeping them is that the really good magic people would be visibly upset, but that's hardly a reason.
We're the World Cube Association, not the World Flipping A Piece Of Paper Over Association.
Considering one of the WCA's main goals is fun, I think that the amount of fun some people have doing the Magic events in competitions is enough to prevent its removal. The fact that some people don't like the event, for various reasons, doesn't outweigh the potential removed fun of other competitors. I note that all events which were removed in the past were either (a) very unpopular, or (b) very hard to organize (e.g. old multi). Magic is neither.
The Magic/Master Magic itself is a puzzle, although the current event does not take advantage of this property.
Pyraminx isn't a cube.
People would have a lot of fun at an orgy at a competition, but that doesn't make it a good idea.
Puzzle: A game, toy, or problem designed to test ingenuity or knowledge.
If Magic were invented today, and did not have the "Rubik's" brand on it, it would never become an event.
I don't see how magics are not a puzzle. You have 3 rings, and you must link them. Now, if someone hasn't taught you how to do it, it could take you a while to work it out. Saying it's not a puzzle is stupid. Definition: Puzzle: A game, toy, or problem designed to test ingenuity or knowledge.
Even if you know how to do it, magics test your knowledge and see how fast you can do it.
The argument that magics and master magics are not puzzles is invalid.