Stop arguing religion. You're all terrible at it and you're all making me cry.
I agree this should not be an argument about religion thread, but I at least, do not believe my arguing skills in this area are sub par. In fact, I would say they are sup par if I may. I have spent a great deal of time studying and thinking about this topic. The argument I provided is but one of many in the area of proving a creator and eventually a "God" (I put quotes here because the definition of God varies from person to person and is thus not truly one fixed idea, but rather multiple conflicting ones). Only as a whole do all of my arguments, IMO, prove that there is a God.
Also...
The thought that we all came into existence by coincidence which is how evolution works.
ultimatums (especially about religion).
One of the biggest ultimatums in our society is how that schools only teach the evolution side of how the world begins stating that is true according to 'scientist' and all other theories are just 'religion' nonsense. When really big bang and evolution is just a theory (that why it is called the Big Bang theory).
creator of some kind out there
For the world to exist there have to be something that is eternal. 'Scientist' still haven't found anything yet.
Something cannot come from Nothing
Yet this is what our society accepts. I don't know how 'Scientist' say this is true when it haves never been observed before.
I'm pretty sure I state those as an opinion instead of like a fact. I don't say that I hate football, I just think is talked about too much then it deserves. I do enjoy playing football. Beach/ Backyard Cricket can be fun to play but serious cricket gets boring because it is only have 3/20 people doing something as a time while the rest just sits/stand there doing nothing.
Sooo, not to be rude (although there is no non rude way to say this), but I believe that you have the wrong definition of ultimatum as you use it is part A.
Definition of ULTIMATUM by Merrian Webster Dictionary
: a final proposition, condition, or demand; especially : one whose rejection will end negotiations and cause a resort to force or other direct action
Examples of ULTIMATUM
She was given an ultimatum—work harder or lose her job.
<issued the ultimatum that the project be finished by the following week, or it would be terminated>
As to the claim that scientists have yet to find a creator, I would simply reply obviously! How on earth are they going to witness the creator in action now. Who is to say that even if they could go back to then that the creator has any solid form i.e. it could just be energy. The point of my claim that something cannot come from nothing is that there is no way for nothingness to burst into somethingness without some form of catalyst. It may be possible, but the chances that it are seem miniscule to me and the chances that something created it (thunk Occams Razor) seem more likely. If you ask anyone who studies the big bang, the greatest mystery of it all is how it started. No one can know for sure, but all we know is that something had to have created the initial ball of mass and energy in order for the Big Bang to occur.
Finally, I would like to say that I in no way propose that the judeo-christian God exists as we think of it but rather that it seem highly likely that a being exists outside of our universe who have powers we cannot even imagine. I believe this being likely created our universe i.e. it is the creator. That is all that I was proposing.
