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Well, that's what experiments are for... To test hypotheses.
Let's wait and see.
Let's wait and see.
Could vision therapy improve speedcubing, especially look-ahead?
- Thread starter DaKrazedKyubizt
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DaKrazedKyubizt
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Post EyeQ Session RA of 50. Much more consistent. Didn't fluctuate as much. Might also be because I'm a bit more warmed up. Standard deviation was, surprisingly, MUCH higher. Despite this, I did notice that I was able to keep my RAof12 under 13 seconds for much of the session.
Best RA of 12: Solves 29-40
Average: 12.58 (12.62)
Standard Deviation: 0.91
Best Time: 10.52
Worst Time: 15.08
Best RA of 5: Solves 8-12
Average: 11.58 (12.28)
Standard Deviation: 0.44
Best Time: 10.27
Worst Time: 16.38
More testing to come. I will try to do this again, maybe this evening, but I'll do it this time without the mid-RA EyeQ session. Tomorrow, I'll swap the two. In the morning, I'll skip the EyeQ session, but at night, I'll do it. Then I'll probably try doing the sessions in the afternoon on the following two days.
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Statistics for 08-02-2011 14:16:08
Cubes Solved: 50/50
Number of Pops: 0
Average: 13.35
Standard Deviation: 2.09
Best Time: 10.27
Worst Time: 23.68
Individual Times:
1. 12.93 U2 R L' U R' U2 D' B' U R2 F R' U B2 L2 U' D' R2 B2 U L2
2. 16.71 R' F' R L' B' L2 U' B' R2 B R' U2 R2 U' B2 D' R2 U' F2 R2 D'
3. 14.84 R' U F2 D2 B' U F U D2 R' L D' B2 D2 F2 R2 B2 U F2 U' F2
4. 13.78 D2 F' D B' D B R B' D B' D R2 B2 L2 U' L2 B2 D' B2 R2
5. 12.08 F2 U2 B' U2 F2 R L2 D' R D L U' R2 B2 U' R2 B2 L2 F2 D'
6. 12.16 R' U B2 U' R' U' L2 F2 U B L U' B2 D' B2 R2 F2 B2 D2 F2 D
7. 13.47 U D' B' R' L2 B' L2 B' R2 U' F D' R2 B2 L2 D' F2 D2 R2 D F2
8. 11.19 D2 B R' B D' F' D2 R L' D' L' F2 U B2 L2 D' R2 L2 B2 D2 L2
9. 10.27 R2 U' B D F2 L F' U B R F2 U' B2 D' R2 F2 D' R2 D'
10. 16.38 R' B2 D' L B' R' F R' B2 L B D R2 D2 F2 D2 F2 D' R2 L2
11. 11.16 U2 F D F' B' U2 R U2 R2 B' L2 B' U2 B2 U R2 U R2 U B2 D2
12. 12.38 U D F' L' D R' B U' R2 U2 F' U' D' L2 F2 R2 L2 U R2 B2 U
13. 13.96 R U2 F' R' U2 R' D F L' U2 F' R2 B2 U F2 R2 U2 L2 F2 L2 U'
14. 12.96 U' L U2 L F' D B2 R B' L' D' L' D B2 U2 F2 U' B2 R2 D R2
15. 13.69 U' D2 F L U' R' D2 L' F D2 B' R2 U L2 U2 B2 D' B2 U' L2 U
16. 13.90 R L' D' L2 F L2 B L2 U L U2 F2 U2 F2 U2 L2 B2 U L2 D2
17. 13.44 U2 B' L2 B2 R U' B' L B D' R L2 D R2 B2 D2 R2 F2 U2 R2 F2
18. 12.88 U' B U' B' L F U D2 F' U' L B2 U F2 R2 L2 U' B2 U' B2 D
19. 13.03 R2 L U' B2 D R' U2 F B' U D B' U L2 D R2 D' B2 D' R2 U'
20. 14.52 U R2 B U' R D L B2 R' F2 B' R' L2 B2 U B2 R2 D L2 F2 U
21. 13.11 U' B' D' B L B2 R2 U2 L' D' F' L U' B2 U D2 B2 D2 L2 U' F2
22. 15.27 D' B' U B L' D R' D2 F' R U' B2 R2 B2 D R2 L2 B2 U' D2
23. 12.78 R' F' U' B' U D' F' B' R F B2 U' L2 D' R2 F2 R2 U' B2
24. 12.52 F U B' D2 R2 F' D R B D' B' D F2 R2 U' R2 U' L2 F2 U F2
25. 16.05 D L B R F U F' R' U' D2 R' L2 U2 R2 F2 U B2 L2 U' B2 D
26. 10.69 R' B' U2 D F2 U' R U F' B D' L2 F2 D' F2 D2 B2 U' L2 U2
27. 14.84 F U2 D2 L F U2 F' D2 R' B R2 L2 F2 D R2 F2 D F2 D R2
28. 14.77 U B' U' F L2 F' B' L D' R' F' L2 B2 R2 D2 R2 D F2 D' R2 B2
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29. 12.41 F2 U D2 B R D2 F' D' R U L D B2 R2 U2 F2 U' B2 R2 D' B2
30. 15.08 R' U F L' B2 U2 F L U B L' U' L2 U2 D' L2 D' B2 L2 F2 B2
31. 13.68 F' B U' R L D L U2 F L2 U2 R U' R2 U' F2 B2 L2 B2 U
32. 10.83 U F2 R' B' L U' B2 D' F U2 B D2 R2 F2 B2 U L2 F2 R2 L2
33. 12.38 F D R2 F D2 L2 F' U' R U F' D' B2 D2 L2 B2 L2 D' B2 U'
34. 12.33 F' U2 R B R' L2 B' U R' L' F' B2 R2 D2 F2 B2 U L2 B2 U L2
35. 13.02 F L D2 B2 L D R F' R L F' R2 U D F2 U D2 B2 L2 U R2
36. 10.52 R D' L' D2 B' U B2 U' R2 F2 B' U R2 B2 U L2 D' L2 B2 U' D2
37. 13.50 B' L U R2 L' D' F L' B L' D L2 U R2 U' R2 L2 U' F2 D2
38. 12.58 L2 U D2 L2 B R L F' R' D F' U' L2 F2 R2 U F2 U B2 L2
39. 11.05 U' R' F2 R2 B' U F' B' D L' U B' U' B2 D' L2 U2 D2 B2 D2 F2
40. 14.03 U D' F' R' F2 U' D F' R2 U' L' D2 F2 R2 D' R2 B2 U F2 L2
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41. 13.34 D2 B' R' D2 L2 F2 B R' F' U F U2 F2 D' B2 L2 D' R2 L2 D2 F2
42. 13.55 L' F2 B2 R' B2 U' D' F' R' L' B D2 F2 U' L2 D R2 L2 D2 L2 U
43. 23.68 U D F R L D' B' D2 L' B' L B D2 B2 U' L2 F2 B2 D2 L2 D
44. 12.08 U' D2 L' U L' U2 D2 F2 U' F R U2 L2 D R2 D2 R2 L2 B2 L2 D'
45. 11.06 B D F U R L2 F' B2 R U2 R D' R2 D F2 B2 U' F2 D L2 D'
46. 13.53 L B2 D' B D F' U' F' U R' L' U' B2 L2 B2 U2 L2 D' F2 U2
47. 14.50 R F' B2 U' B D2 R B2 L' D R2 B2 D2 F2 D F2 D R2 B2
48. 11.65 F' U2 F2 B R F D B2 R2 B' D F2 B2 U' F2 D2 R2 D2 B2 L2
49. 12.61 U R D2 L' F' D' L2 D B' R2 B U' L2 D2 F2 D2 F2 L2 D F2 R2
50. 14.34 R' B D' F2 B' U R' D2 F' D B R2 U' L2 B2 U2 L2 B2 U2 L2 U
Best RA of 12: Solves 29-40
Average: 12.58 (12.62)
Standard Deviation: 0.91
Best Time: 10.52
Worst Time: 15.08
Best RA of 5: Solves 8-12
Average: 11.58 (12.28)
Standard Deviation: 0.44
Best Time: 10.27
Worst Time: 16.38
More testing to come. I will try to do this again, maybe this evening, but I'll do it this time without the mid-RA EyeQ session. Tomorrow, I'll swap the two. In the morning, I'll skip the EyeQ session, but at night, I'll do it. Then I'll probably try doing the sessions in the afternoon on the following two days.
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Statistics for 08-02-2011 14:16:08
Cubes Solved: 50/50
Number of Pops: 0
Average: 13.35
Standard Deviation: 2.09
Best Time: 10.27
Worst Time: 23.68
Individual Times:
1. 12.93 U2 R L' U R' U2 D' B' U R2 F R' U B2 L2 U' D' R2 B2 U L2
2. 16.71 R' F' R L' B' L2 U' B' R2 B R' U2 R2 U' B2 D' R2 U' F2 R2 D'
3. 14.84 R' U F2 D2 B' U F U D2 R' L D' B2 D2 F2 R2 B2 U F2 U' F2
4. 13.78 D2 F' D B' D B R B' D B' D R2 B2 L2 U' L2 B2 D' B2 R2
5. 12.08 F2 U2 B' U2 F2 R L2 D' R D L U' R2 B2 U' R2 B2 L2 F2 D'
6. 12.16 R' U B2 U' R' U' L2 F2 U B L U' B2 D' B2 R2 F2 B2 D2 F2 D
7. 13.47 U D' B' R' L2 B' L2 B' R2 U' F D' R2 B2 L2 D' F2 D2 R2 D F2
8. 11.19 D2 B R' B D' F' D2 R L' D' L' F2 U B2 L2 D' R2 L2 B2 D2 L2
9. 10.27 R2 U' B D F2 L F' U B R F2 U' B2 D' R2 F2 D' R2 D'
10. 16.38 R' B2 D' L B' R' F R' B2 L B D R2 D2 F2 D2 F2 D' R2 L2
11. 11.16 U2 F D F' B' U2 R U2 R2 B' L2 B' U2 B2 U R2 U R2 U B2 D2
12. 12.38 U D F' L' D R' B U' R2 U2 F' U' D' L2 F2 R2 L2 U R2 B2 U
13. 13.96 R U2 F' R' U2 R' D F L' U2 F' R2 B2 U F2 R2 U2 L2 F2 L2 U'
14. 12.96 U' L U2 L F' D B2 R B' L' D' L' D B2 U2 F2 U' B2 R2 D R2
15. 13.69 U' D2 F L U' R' D2 L' F D2 B' R2 U L2 U2 B2 D' B2 U' L2 U
16. 13.90 R L' D' L2 F L2 B L2 U L U2 F2 U2 F2 U2 L2 B2 U L2 D2
17. 13.44 U2 B' L2 B2 R U' B' L B D' R L2 D R2 B2 D2 R2 F2 U2 R2 F2
18. 12.88 U' B U' B' L F U D2 F' U' L B2 U F2 R2 L2 U' B2 U' B2 D
19. 13.03 R2 L U' B2 D R' U2 F B' U D B' U L2 D R2 D' B2 D' R2 U'
20. 14.52 U R2 B U' R D L B2 R' F2 B' R' L2 B2 U B2 R2 D L2 F2 U
21. 13.11 U' B' D' B L B2 R2 U2 L' D' F' L U' B2 U D2 B2 D2 L2 U' F2
22. 15.27 D' B' U B L' D R' D2 F' R U' B2 R2 B2 D R2 L2 B2 U' D2
23. 12.78 R' F' U' B' U D' F' B' R F B2 U' L2 D' R2 F2 R2 U' B2
24. 12.52 F U B' D2 R2 F' D R B D' B' D F2 R2 U' R2 U' L2 F2 U F2
25. 16.05 D L B R F U F' R' U' D2 R' L2 U2 R2 F2 U B2 L2 U' B2 D
26. 10.69 R' B' U2 D F2 U' R U F' B D' L2 F2 D' F2 D2 B2 U' L2 U2
27. 14.84 F U2 D2 L F U2 F' D2 R' B R2 L2 F2 D R2 F2 D F2 D R2
28. 14.77 U B' U' F L2 F' B' L D' R' F' L2 B2 R2 D2 R2 D F2 D' R2 B2
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29. 12.41 F2 U D2 B R D2 F' D' R U L D B2 R2 U2 F2 U' B2 R2 D' B2
30. 15.08 R' U F L' B2 U2 F L U B L' U' L2 U2 D' L2 D' B2 L2 F2 B2
31. 13.68 F' B U' R L D L U2 F L2 U2 R U' R2 U' F2 B2 L2 B2 U
32. 10.83 U F2 R' B' L U' B2 D' F U2 B D2 R2 F2 B2 U L2 F2 R2 L2
33. 12.38 F D R2 F D2 L2 F' U' R U F' D' B2 D2 L2 B2 L2 D' B2 U'
34. 12.33 F' U2 R B R' L2 B' U R' L' F' B2 R2 D2 F2 B2 U L2 B2 U L2
35. 13.02 F L D2 B2 L D R F' R L F' R2 U D F2 U D2 B2 L2 U R2
36. 10.52 R D' L' D2 B' U B2 U' R2 F2 B' U R2 B2 U L2 D' L2 B2 U' D2
37. 13.50 B' L U R2 L' D' F L' B L' D L2 U R2 U' R2 L2 U' F2 D2
38. 12.58 L2 U D2 L2 B R L F' R' D F' U' L2 F2 R2 U F2 U B2 L2
39. 11.05 U' R' F2 R2 B' U F' B' D L' U B' U' B2 D' L2 U2 D2 B2 D2 F2
40. 14.03 U D' F' R' F2 U' D F' R2 U' L' D2 F2 R2 D' R2 B2 U F2 L2
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41. 13.34 D2 B' R' D2 L2 F2 B R' F' U F U2 F2 D' B2 L2 D' R2 L2 D2 F2
42. 13.55 L' F2 B2 R' B2 U' D' F' R' L' B D2 F2 U' L2 D R2 L2 D2 L2 U
43. 23.68 U D F R L D' B' D2 L' B' L B D2 B2 U' L2 F2 B2 D2 L2 D
44. 12.08 U' D2 L' U L' U2 D2 F2 U' F R U2 L2 D R2 D2 R2 L2 B2 L2 D'
45. 11.06 B D F U R L2 F' B2 R U2 R D' R2 D F2 B2 U' F2 D L2 D'
46. 13.53 L B2 D' B D F' U' F' U R' L' U' B2 L2 B2 U2 L2 D' F2 U2
47. 14.50 R F' B2 U' B D2 R B2 L' D R2 B2 D2 F2 D F2 D R2 B2
48. 11.65 F' U2 F2 B R F D B2 R2 B' D F2 B2 U' F2 D2 R2 D2 B2 L2
49. 12.61 U R D2 L' F' D' L2 D B' R2 B U' L2 D2 F2 D2 F2 L2 D F2 R2
50. 14.34 R' B D' F2 B' U R' D2 F' D B R2 U' L2 B2 U2 L2 B2 U2 L2 U
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5BLD
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IMO, still not enough deviation to come to a certain conclusion. However if results are good, keep going! Although... I believe there are other online vision things that you can do so you don't repeat the same thing over and over...
DaKrazedKyubizt
Regular
Good idea. I'll look around for some.
EDIT: And since when was there such a thing as "enough data?" Preposterous.
EDIT 2: You know what I could? More test subjects at a wider range of speeds. Maybe I should find someone who's averaging around 20 seconds. The difference might be more pronounced in a situation such as that.
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5BLD
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Yeah.. Good idea.
Yup, never enough data
Or enough deviation of the sets of data
Yup, never enough data
Or enough deviation of the sets of data
DaKrazedKyubizt
Regular
Just did another RA of 50. No vision therapy was done beforehand.
It was absolutely terrible. I don't know what my brain was even doing. I tripped over myself multiple times, especially on PLLs. This data is a bit of an outlier as a whole. It is likely that it will be thrown out because I've never failed quite that badly to produce decent solves. For solves 45 and 46, the RA of 12 at those points went above 15.
I think maybe since we're focused on look-ahead, I should only do F2L RAs of 50. I feel like 30 might be too small of an amount of data.
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Statistics for 08-02-2011 16:37:08
Cubes Solved: 50/50
Number of Pops: 0
Average: 14.19
Standard Deviation: 2.79
Best Time: 10.09
Worst Time: 26.41
Individual Times:
1. 13.72 U' L B2 L' U' F' L' B R' L2 B U B2 R2 D L2 U L2 U' B2
2. 10.71 U' F2 U2 R2 D F' B D' R2 U' R U L2 F2 D' L2 D B2 U2 L2 U'
3. 14.83 F L' U2 F U2 B R F D L' B U D2 R2 B2 U' R2 L2 B2 R2 U
4. 17.50 R' F' B2 R2 B' L F' R2 B R B L2 U2 L2 U L2 U L2 D' L2 D
5. 13.71 L' U' F B U' L' F U' F B' U D R2 U' B2 R2 F2 D B2 R2
6. 13.41 U' D' R D2 R D2 B U2 L' D2 B' D' L2 D F2 U2 B2 D' F2 U' R2
7. 13.02 B D F' R' B' U' L F2 U L F2 D F2 U2 R2 U2 R2 F2
8. 12.22 R L F' R F' U L' U2 D R D L2 U2 D' R2 U' B2 R2 F2 D
9. 18.11 D' L U' F' U R' D' L F2 B' R2 D' F2 U2 L2 F2 D B2 U'
10. 13.86 U2 L2 B' R2 B D' L' U B2 U R F2 R2 D F2 U L2 D B2 L2 D
11. 10.09 U' F' U D' R' F U R U' L D2 L U F2 U2 F2 D' R2 F2 B2 U
12. 12.36 F' D2 B' R' B' U B' D' L2 F' D2 R U' B2 U L2 B2 U F2 L2 U
13. 15.44 D2 B' D2 F' D L' F U' B' U F R2 D R2 L2 D B2 U' B2
14. 14.59 U B' U' R2 L B2 D2 B' L' D R U2 B2 D R2 D' F2 D' B2 U' F2
15. 14.16 R F2 U R' F U B2 L' D' R2 F D L2 B2 R2 F2 U L2 U2 L2 D2
16. 12.60 B R F R' F' U D2 F2 U2 R2 F' U L2 B2 U2 D F2 U' D2 F2 R2
17. 12.77 R' U B L2 U2 R U' B' L' F2 R' U' F2 D2 R2 F2 L2 U' L2 D' L2
18. 14.06 B' R2 U2 D B2 U2 F' D R' B R F2 U D2 R2 B2 R2 B2 U R2 U2
19. 13.91 U R' L F' R' B U L B2 U R' D' B2 U2 D' F2 R2 U R2 U2
20. 14.36 D B L2 F2 L' B2 R' F R2 B' R2 F2 L2 U F2 D' B2 L2 U D2
21. 11.19 U' R F D' L' B' D2 L D B L F2 U2 F2 R2 U' R2 D' R2 D2 L2
22. 13.94 R B R' B2 D L D F' U D2 L F2 L2 U' F2 U D2 L2 B2 U2
23. 13.69 R D2 F B2 L' F L U R L U' B2 D2 R2 D' L2 F2 B2 U' B2
24. 11.56 R U2 R B2 U' R2 L2 B' R' B2 R L2 U F2 D L2 U' F2 D' L2 D'
25. 14.19 F B U D F' R F' D' L' D R U R2 D2 B2 U2 R2 D' R2 D2 B2
26. 12.53 R D R2 U2 F B2 D2 L D B2 R D' L2 D2 F2 L2 D' L2 U F2 U
27. 20.19 U2 D' R B2 L' U2 L' F U D F R2 U' R2 U F2 D2 B2 R2 B2 D'
28. 15.56 U2 L' U2 B2 R' D B' R2 L D F L2 U' F2 D' R2 D R2 U F2 L2
29. 13.93 D R2 L2 D' R U2 F' D' B' D2 L' D2 L2 B2 U2 F2 U' R2 D' F2 U
30. 10.21 R' L' F2 U2 D2 R' B2 U2 D' F R F2 L2 U' R2 U2 L2 F2 U' L2 D
31. 10.61 F2 L2 U2 D R' F U2 L' F' U' L' U F2 B2 L2 F2 U' L2 D' F2 D2
32. 16.21 R D' L B D' R' U B2 R2 L2 U B' R2 D' L2 D R2 L2 F2 U2
33. 12.52 U' F2 L2 U2 D2 B' L' U2 F' R' B' R2 U2 B2 R2 U2 F2 D B2 D L2
34. 16.19 U F L' D R L2 D' F' D2 R2 L U' F2 R2 F2 D B2 U D' L2 B2
35. 16.65 U' R' F' R D L F' U R B' U2 L U2 D2 L2 B2 D R2 L2 U2 F2
36. 10.80 U' L F' D F2 U B L' U2 L' U' F2 L2 U L2 B2 D' B2 U' B2
37. 16.34 R' B2 R2 U' L' B L2 F2 R B L F2 R2 F2 D2 L2 U2 F2 U'
38. 13.13 L2 B R' F' U' F R2 D B' R' L2 D' B2 U' R2 L2 D' L2 B2 D
39. 13.05 U' D' L F R' D' F2 R' F2 R' B' R2 U R2 D' L2 U L2 B2 L2 U
40. 12.11 R F2 U R U2 R2 U2 F' R D' L U B2 L2 U' B2 R2 F2 R2 D
41. 16.09 D' R2 D' B2 L2 F2 R' F B' U' D R B2 L2 D' L2 U2 R2 B2 U' D
42. 19.36 U R' L D2 F2 D2 F' R F2 U2 L' D' L2 D R2 U F2 U' F2 D2 L2
43. 13.90 U R F U F' D B U' L' U' L U B2 U R2 D2 F2 U2 F2 L2 D'
44. 26.41 U2 R D2 F D R2 U2 R B' R' F L2 B2 D R2 U' L2 D L2 D2 B2
45. 16.84 D F' R2 U B' R F L U' R' U2 B' R2 F2 B2 L2 D L2 D F2 D2
46. 12.86 U2 L' U' B' U2 F L D2 R B2 U' R D2 B2 L2 B2 D F2 D B2 U
47. 13.86 U' D' B D L' B2 R2 L B' U' R2 D' F2 B2 U L2 B2 D' B2
48. 13.91 L2 F R2 U' D2 R' U L' F' R' D2 F' B2 U' B2 R2 L2 U2 D L2 D
49. 13.94 D' B' R F' U D' B2 R2 F B R U' R2 B2 D2 R2 F2 D' R2 U' L2
50. 12.19 U' F2 R' B D' R' B2 U2 L2 D F R U' R2 B2 U' R2 D F2 U' R2
It was absolutely terrible. I don't know what my brain was even doing. I tripped over myself multiple times, especially on PLLs. This data is a bit of an outlier as a whole. It is likely that it will be thrown out because I've never failed quite that badly to produce decent solves. For solves 45 and 46, the RA of 12 at those points went above 15.
I think maybe since we're focused on look-ahead, I should only do F2L RAs of 50. I feel like 30 might be too small of an amount of data.
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Statistics for 08-02-2011 16:37:08
Cubes Solved: 50/50
Number of Pops: 0
Average: 14.19
Standard Deviation: 2.79
Best Time: 10.09
Worst Time: 26.41
Individual Times:
1. 13.72 U' L B2 L' U' F' L' B R' L2 B U B2 R2 D L2 U L2 U' B2
2. 10.71 U' F2 U2 R2 D F' B D' R2 U' R U L2 F2 D' L2 D B2 U2 L2 U'
3. 14.83 F L' U2 F U2 B R F D L' B U D2 R2 B2 U' R2 L2 B2 R2 U
4. 17.50 R' F' B2 R2 B' L F' R2 B R B L2 U2 L2 U L2 U L2 D' L2 D
5. 13.71 L' U' F B U' L' F U' F B' U D R2 U' B2 R2 F2 D B2 R2
6. 13.41 U' D' R D2 R D2 B U2 L' D2 B' D' L2 D F2 U2 B2 D' F2 U' R2
7. 13.02 B D F' R' B' U' L F2 U L F2 D F2 U2 R2 U2 R2 F2
8. 12.22 R L F' R F' U L' U2 D R D L2 U2 D' R2 U' B2 R2 F2 D
9. 18.11 D' L U' F' U R' D' L F2 B' R2 D' F2 U2 L2 F2 D B2 U'
10. 13.86 U2 L2 B' R2 B D' L' U B2 U R F2 R2 D F2 U L2 D B2 L2 D
11. 10.09 U' F' U D' R' F U R U' L D2 L U F2 U2 F2 D' R2 F2 B2 U
12. 12.36 F' D2 B' R' B' U B' D' L2 F' D2 R U' B2 U L2 B2 U F2 L2 U
13. 15.44 D2 B' D2 F' D L' F U' B' U F R2 D R2 L2 D B2 U' B2
14. 14.59 U B' U' R2 L B2 D2 B' L' D R U2 B2 D R2 D' F2 D' B2 U' F2
15. 14.16 R F2 U R' F U B2 L' D' R2 F D L2 B2 R2 F2 U L2 U2 L2 D2
16. 12.60 B R F R' F' U D2 F2 U2 R2 F' U L2 B2 U2 D F2 U' D2 F2 R2
17. 12.77 R' U B L2 U2 R U' B' L' F2 R' U' F2 D2 R2 F2 L2 U' L2 D' L2
18. 14.06 B' R2 U2 D B2 U2 F' D R' B R F2 U D2 R2 B2 R2 B2 U R2 U2
19. 13.91 U R' L F' R' B U L B2 U R' D' B2 U2 D' F2 R2 U R2 U2
20. 14.36 D B L2 F2 L' B2 R' F R2 B' R2 F2 L2 U F2 D' B2 L2 U D2
21. 11.19 U' R F D' L' B' D2 L D B L F2 U2 F2 R2 U' R2 D' R2 D2 L2
22. 13.94 R B R' B2 D L D F' U D2 L F2 L2 U' F2 U D2 L2 B2 U2
23. 13.69 R D2 F B2 L' F L U R L U' B2 D2 R2 D' L2 F2 B2 U' B2
24. 11.56 R U2 R B2 U' R2 L2 B' R' B2 R L2 U F2 D L2 U' F2 D' L2 D'
25. 14.19 F B U D F' R F' D' L' D R U R2 D2 B2 U2 R2 D' R2 D2 B2
26. 12.53 R D R2 U2 F B2 D2 L D B2 R D' L2 D2 F2 L2 D' L2 U F2 U
27. 20.19 U2 D' R B2 L' U2 L' F U D F R2 U' R2 U F2 D2 B2 R2 B2 D'
28. 15.56 U2 L' U2 B2 R' D B' R2 L D F L2 U' F2 D' R2 D R2 U F2 L2
29. 13.93 D R2 L2 D' R U2 F' D' B' D2 L' D2 L2 B2 U2 F2 U' R2 D' F2 U
30. 10.21 R' L' F2 U2 D2 R' B2 U2 D' F R F2 L2 U' R2 U2 L2 F2 U' L2 D
31. 10.61 F2 L2 U2 D R' F U2 L' F' U' L' U F2 B2 L2 F2 U' L2 D' F2 D2
32. 16.21 R D' L B D' R' U B2 R2 L2 U B' R2 D' L2 D R2 L2 F2 U2
33. 12.52 U' F2 L2 U2 D2 B' L' U2 F' R' B' R2 U2 B2 R2 U2 F2 D B2 D L2
34. 16.19 U F L' D R L2 D' F' D2 R2 L U' F2 R2 F2 D B2 U D' L2 B2
35. 16.65 U' R' F' R D L F' U R B' U2 L U2 D2 L2 B2 D R2 L2 U2 F2
36. 10.80 U' L F' D F2 U B L' U2 L' U' F2 L2 U L2 B2 D' B2 U' B2
37. 16.34 R' B2 R2 U' L' B L2 F2 R B L F2 R2 F2 D2 L2 U2 F2 U'
38. 13.13 L2 B R' F' U' F R2 D B' R' L2 D' B2 U' R2 L2 D' L2 B2 D
39. 13.05 U' D' L F R' D' F2 R' F2 R' B' R2 U R2 D' L2 U L2 B2 L2 U
40. 12.11 R F2 U R U2 R2 U2 F' R D' L U B2 L2 U' B2 R2 F2 R2 D
41. 16.09 D' R2 D' B2 L2 F2 R' F B' U' D R B2 L2 D' L2 U2 R2 B2 U' D
42. 19.36 U R' L D2 F2 D2 F' R F2 U2 L' D' L2 D R2 U F2 U' F2 D2 L2
43. 13.90 U R F U F' D B U' L' U' L U B2 U R2 D2 F2 U2 F2 L2 D'
44. 26.41 U2 R D2 F D R2 U2 R B' R' F L2 B2 D R2 U' L2 D L2 D2 B2
45. 16.84 D F' R2 U B' R F L U' R' U2 B' R2 F2 B2 L2 D L2 D F2 D2
46. 12.86 U2 L' U' B' U2 F L D2 R B2 U' R D2 B2 L2 B2 D F2 D B2 U
47. 13.86 U' D' B D L' B2 R2 L B' U' R2 D' F2 B2 U L2 B2 D' B2
48. 13.91 L2 F R2 U' D2 R' U L' F' R' D2 F' B2 U' B2 R2 L2 U2 D L2 D
49. 13.94 D' B' R F' U D' B2 R2 F B R U' R2 B2 D2 R2 F2 D' R2 U' L2
50. 12.19 U' F2 R' B D' R' B2 U2 L2 D F R U' R2 B2 U' R2 D F2 U' R2
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DaKrazedKyubizt
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Thank you. I try. I hope you finish reading it at some point and comment more on it.
Reading on forum is very different from reading a book. For one, let's remember that it's not like I can't exactly read. I can read, but only for short amounts of time. On this forum, I'm reading short bursts of information, so I don't really need to strain myself to get through the material and remember it all because I'm only reading for a few minutes at a time.
I would agree with this school of thought: Mentally, I'm more accustomed to short bursts of information, as most people are, because of the world we live in. It's always calling for the intake of short bursts of information. Some scientists believe this constant calling could be contributing to the unusual recent rise in ADD/ADHD -- in other words, people are simply watching TV, looking at too many ads, etc., which is picture after picture after picture, and they have to take in so much information at once (and let's say a picture really is worth a thousand words. That's a very large intake of information at once). Over time, you get someone who can't sit down and read a book because they want all the information at once.
And even so, I still don't read very fast, book or no book.
But anything's easier when it's something you enjoy or find interesting/important. I wouldn't say that rule applies here just because they're such short bursts of information.
EDIT: Also, the light of the computer screen helps me stay awake. I've always thought about reading books on my computer in hopes that it might be easier, but I don't think it will necessarily. No harm in trying it out, though.
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emolover
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That can be really bad for your eyes if you read extensively on the computer. I have noticed when I am reading the alternate history forums I tend to get headaches if I read for more then an hour without a break from it. It could possibly be all the new information and visual images but I don't think so since you can get a seizers from the lights(There was recently a kid who died from 12 hours of video games). It doesn't happen untill a much longer time if I am just reading a book, I can last several hours when reading a book even if I am not THAT fond of it. I just find it easier to read on a piece of paper rather then on an LED screen.
Jungleterrain
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Could it be a placebo effect?
Yes.
FatBoyXPC
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I only have one "good" eye. My right eye I need to have prescription glasses for, but my left eye was 20/20 last time I had it checked. My right eye is like 20/25 I believe, I can't quite remember. My point is that I feel like I haven't reached my full potential of F2L yet (granted I'm stil a 16-17s on average [full solve]), but I feel like my eye condition isn't the case. I do feel however if somebody had a more sever medical condition, this could certainly be the case, but my best guess is that on average it is not.
You guys should have some fun with this. Try solving with only one eye open. Try solving with only the other eye open. Make it fun, do a an average of 20 or something each, not just a few solves (I was going to suggest average of 50 but figured that'd be far too much).
Find a way to blur your vision, but be careful with that. You don't want to make your eyes work too hard to focus on something and end up screwing up your vision. Certainly don't go wearing prescription glasses that aren't prescribed for you. Maybe put some sort of translucent plastic between your face and the cubes.
Try solving in lower light conditions. This should force you to slow down.
Find more fun little things like this and test your outcomes. Whatever you do, do the same number of solves in each "test."
As for actually getting faster, learn to have spacial recognition on the fly (ie knowing what R U R' does to the ULB corner) and you'll notice a nice drop in F2L times. Slow down to the point that when you make the last move of your insertion, you can immediately know what move you are going to make next. Getting to this point is the hardest for me. I find that in some of my solves I can do this for pairs 2-4 (first pair is always different of how fast I approach it since I sometimes see the pair during inspection and/or cross building, sometimes don't). If I can consistently get to the point where I can make the final insertion move and immediately jump to my next pair, I'd drop a minimum of 2 seconds from my F2L.
Example:
Setup Alg:
R' U' R U2 R' U' R2 U' R'
If you did R U R' (normal insert here) you'll notice you can cancel that R' out into an R2, because R' U R will build your pair, then U2 and insert into back right slot.
Setup:
R' U R U R' U2 R2 U' R'
If you do the normal insert of R U R', if leaves R' U2 R U' to setup the back right pair + insert, (R' U' R), you can have that R' of the first pair insertion and that R' of the next pair cancel out into an R2.
Find more examples like these and you will certainly drop your times.
I'm certainly by no means a master (or even good) at F2L, but I've found that when my recognition of knowing what a corner will look like after I do some moves, my F2L time drops significantly.
I don't intend on this being any sort of hijack, but I just wanted to make clear what I valued as more important in the F2L recognition look ahead, which I really don't feel like vision therapy would help too much of, unless (as stated earlier) a medical condition actually hindered vision.
You guys should have some fun with this. Try solving with only one eye open. Try solving with only the other eye open. Make it fun, do a an average of 20 or something each, not just a few solves (I was going to suggest average of 50 but figured that'd be far too much).
Find a way to blur your vision, but be careful with that. You don't want to make your eyes work too hard to focus on something and end up screwing up your vision. Certainly don't go wearing prescription glasses that aren't prescribed for you. Maybe put some sort of translucent plastic between your face and the cubes.
Try solving in lower light conditions. This should force you to slow down.
Find more fun little things like this and test your outcomes. Whatever you do, do the same number of solves in each "test."
As for actually getting faster, learn to have spacial recognition on the fly (ie knowing what R U R' does to the ULB corner) and you'll notice a nice drop in F2L times. Slow down to the point that when you make the last move of your insertion, you can immediately know what move you are going to make next. Getting to this point is the hardest for me. I find that in some of my solves I can do this for pairs 2-4 (first pair is always different of how fast I approach it since I sometimes see the pair during inspection and/or cross building, sometimes don't). If I can consistently get to the point where I can make the final insertion move and immediately jump to my next pair, I'd drop a minimum of 2 seconds from my F2L.
Example:
Setup Alg:
R' U' R U2 R' U' R2 U' R'
If you did R U R' (normal insert here) you'll notice you can cancel that R' out into an R2, because R' U R will build your pair, then U2 and insert into back right slot.
Setup:
R' U R U R' U2 R2 U' R'
If you do the normal insert of R U R', if leaves R' U2 R U' to setup the back right pair + insert, (R' U' R), you can have that R' of the first pair insertion and that R' of the next pair cancel out into an R2.
Find more examples like these and you will certainly drop your times.
I'm certainly by no means a master (or even good) at F2L, but I've found that when my recognition of knowing what a corner will look like after I do some moves, my F2L time drops significantly.
I don't intend on this being any sort of hijack, but I just wanted to make clear what I valued as more important in the F2L recognition look ahead, which I really don't feel like vision therapy would help too much of, unless (as stated earlier) a medical condition actually hindered vision.
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Mal
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I have really good comprehension skills. ( If that has anything to do with this). I have the same thing with the reading thing where I just read a sentence or two, and then I have read it again just to understand it. Same thing at school, whenever the teacher is talking or when we have to read something, I often just look out the window and I lose concentration. I usually have to focus 100% of my concentration on the 'thing' that I'm trying to focus on. Does anyone understand what I mean?
DaKrazedKyubizt
Regular
Yes. I think I understand what you're talking about. Sometimes you think you're pay attention, and then you try to recall what you just heard/read, and you find out that you can't. That's your brain focusing on receiving the input information, but your brain is neglecting to actually PROCESS the information. Is this what you mean?
You could have visual problems too. I have problems with teaming and a whole lot of other things.
Check this website out. I'm going to using it for the next experiment.
http://www.eyecanlearn.com/
Looks stupid, but check it out anyway. Might help you. AND me.
Mal
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Ok thanks this is a very interesting thread.
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I read the whole first post, but pretty much gave up on taking it seriously after the first paragraph. Obviously your best random Ao12 is going to be much faster than what you get on a normal basis. That's why it's your best Ao12. Do you think I get anywhere near 9.61 average every day? I've never even had another average within .5 seconds of that. The best I get on a normal day is around 10.3-10.5.
I wear contact lenses just about every day. I sometimes wear glasses around the house, but I prefer contacts. I have done averages with contact lenses, with glasses, and without visual assistance, and there have been absolutely no differences. I still improve at a fairly quick rate, and never hit a major wall in speed. The most I have ever been stuck at an average is ~1 month.
I'm below average in school. I don't do well on tests, and I often struggle with comprehending certain subjects. This has never once effected my speed in algorithm recognition, TPS, or memorizing cases. I have still improved without any sort of hindrance from lack of intelligence. Honestly, I think you're just trying to blame your absence of improvement on things like eyesight, when this obviously isn't the case.
Edit: Also, lol at you calling Austin Moore "Luigi" and lol at you taking Jorghi's BS seriously.
I wear contact lenses just about every day. I sometimes wear glasses around the house, but I prefer contacts. I have done averages with contact lenses, with glasses, and without visual assistance, and there have been absolutely no differences. I still improve at a fairly quick rate, and never hit a major wall in speed. The most I have ever been stuck at an average is ~1 month.
I'm below average in school. I don't do well on tests, and I often struggle with comprehending certain subjects. This has never once effected my speed in algorithm recognition, TPS, or memorizing cases. I have still improved without any sort of hindrance from lack of intelligence. Honestly, I think you're just trying to blame your absence of improvement on things like eyesight, when this obviously isn't the case.
Edit: Also, lol at you calling Austin Moore "Luigi" and lol at you taking Jorghi's BS seriously.
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DaKrazedKyubizt
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I've been stuck for many months at a time. I've been where I am for 8 months. I was stuck at 20 seconds for about a year straight. It wouldn't hurt to do some research to see if something else is holding me back from improving FASTER, because frankly, being stuck in one place for many months at a time is very discouraging at times. I practice a lot, but hey, maybe you're right. Maybe I am just blaming my problems on something else when in reality, I just plain suck at cubing. But knowing that I have the problems I have, that might not be the case, which is why I'm doing some research. But it's obvious that 1) you haven't been in my shoes, and 2) you can't see where I'm coming from either. It's okay to be blind in one eye, but that's like being blind in both eyes.
You totally misunderstood the problem. The problem is not my eyesight. It's my VISUAL PROCESSING ABILITIES. Those are two very different things. It's not fixed by contacts or glasses or anything like that. It's fixed by THERAPY, NOT BETTER EYESIGHT. Therapy meaning TRAINING MY EYES TO DO WHAT I NEED THEM TO DO SO THAT MY BRAIN CAN EFFECTIVELY PROCESS VISUAL INFORMATION. This is actually a scientifically proven and very real medical issue. It's not some hazy thing that I'm trying to make up to blame my problems on something else. I've always had trouble reading, but most other people don't. Most people can read something and understand it immediately (and I'm talking about reading really simple text). Often times, I read something, and I don't know what I read. That's because my brain isn't processing the information.
You have totally misunderstood the entire thread. Please understand the situation BEFORE you comment.
And also, this thread really doesn't have very much to do with your intelligence, even though I mention it as a factor. If your eyes don't work properly, then it really doesn't matter how smart or dumb you are. Everyone has trouble comprehending certain subjects. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about comprehending as in "I heard exactly what you said, but I don't know what it means." It's comprehension as in, "I heard you... wait, what did you say?" or "I read it, but I can't remember a lick of what I just read literally two seconds ago." If you were trying to relate to where 5BLD and I and that other guy (I'm too lazy to go back and check his username) were talking about autism and school and stuff, that was really just us getting off topic for a moment and just chatting, but that was not the main subject at all.
And was Jorghi really BS-ing? Then great. Whatever. I really don't care. He probably misunderstood the subject too, but I seriously don't care. I hope you guys have fun laughing together.
Also, I know that Luigi is Austin Moore. I called him Luigi because I felt like calling him Luigi.
EDIT: Would you like me to explain all this in another place, like PMing? I could, in case you still don't get it. You could probably even call up your local opthomologist (not optometrist) and ask him about it. I'm sure he could explain to you the purpose of vision therapy and why people sometimes need therapy to process information.
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uberCuber
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lolwtf
wat does muscle memory have to do with eyesight and lookahead?
Off-topic: Great signature, that "Screw Look ahead xD" attitude will surely get you fast :tu
You don't even need to look ahead?! You can just watch the entire cube and you can find pieces faster without having to slow down.
DaKrazedKyubizt
Regular
As you could see by what I posted in response to theanonymouscuber, I'm still taking that into consideration. I have to. It's not like I'm rejecting his point, because yes, he does have a point.
But he didn't understand the thread. That's what my problem with him was. He commented without understanding.
Do you understand the thread at all?
EDIT: Also, I don't know what how muscle memory could possibly relate to the topic either. Of course those two parts of the brain are highly interconnected, but you're still missing the point of the thread.
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