Time Limit For Multi!!!

[DennisStrehlau]

Well, my personal best in competition is 1:27.77 I think... on Monday I raced Bob in cubing. I did a BLD, and he solved a 4x4x4, and normally it would be a fair race, but he scrambled it quite easy and I did a 1:07.91, so I guess that's kind of my personal best, but it was an easy case. A strong time for me is about 1:20.

I'm old. I just can't compete with the elite anymore. You might as well ship me off and turn me into glue.

Hi Tyson,
maybe we can race a bld race on the WC I have time to practise till then
You use 3 cycle, right? I never tried a solve with that.

Greetings...Dennis

 

[DennisStrehlau]

The 2:30 time limit he's talking about is the time limit we're putting on multi-BLD at the US Open, as we told Rowe. Rowe wanted to attempt 60 cubes, which would take pretty much the whole day. There hasn't been any talk about making 2:30 (or indeed any other time limit) part of the official regulations. At least not to my knowledge.

Thanks for clearing that up. Now I know what I have to work with when I choose how many cubes to do.

Hey Shelley I talked to Ron and he said, its official already. But he also told me like: I wont organize competitions with more than 2:30 h time limit........so i guess, if an organizer wants a time limit, that is higher than the 2:30 h, he is still allowed to do that, because then, Ron wouldnt have to say: i wont organize comp. with more than 2:30 h anymore (too much work etc.).

Greetings...Dennis

If Ron is preventing any competition from going over 2:30 h anymore, it must be recent, considering Rowe did an officially recognized 4:24:11 30-cube attempt at the end of April this year. And from your words there, it just sounds like you're saying he personally won't organize one like that. There are plenty of other organizers out there, and some of them probably actually enjoy big multiBLD attempts. For instance, what's to stop you from organizing a competition with a 10 hour limit?

Okay
What??? You mean me? i should organize a competition?!
Greetings...Dennis

 

[shelley]

Okay
What??? You mean me? i should organize a competition?!
Greetings...Dennis

Sure.. why not?

 

[Mike Hughey]

@shelley: Please name me one competitor that has ever needed to take up to 2 HOURS to solve a 3x3..

That's irrelevant. No competitor in WCA history has taken that long on an official solve, but that doesn't mean there doesn't exist anyone who takes over an hour to solve a cube. Unless you were born knowing how to solve the cube in under a minute, I'm sure even you have been at that level at some point. And if such a person does wish to compete at a competition, we probably wouldn't allow it.

From the list on speedcubing.com for 3x3x3:
2174 3 hours 5 minutes Christian Walter First time I tried to solve! 20060228
2175 4 hours Joe Baldwin First time I have ever actually solved one, only got to the LL 5 or 6 times
HEHEHE second slowest time 20060217
2176 5 hours Lyon Saha i'm just not very good at the moment, maybe some day.? 20070312
2177 8 hours 15 minutes Dave Hmurovich My first time ever!!

There's 4.

 

[tim]

Just as we won't accommodate someone who takes two hours on a "speed"solve, we won't accommodate someone who wants to do 100 cubes multi-BLD.

Two hours for one 3x3 is bad, but i wouldn't call 100 cubes multi-BLD bad.

 

[DennisStrehlau]

Okay
What??? You mean me? i should organize a competition?!
Greetings...Dennis

Sure.. why not?

I'd love to do that...am i allowed to do that?!

Greetings...Dennis

 

[DennisStrehlau]

Just as we won't accommodate someone who takes two hours on a "speed"solve, we won't accommodate someone who wants to do 100 cubes multi-BLD.

Two hours for one 3x3 is bad, but i wouldn't call 100 cubes multi-BLD bad.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

2 hours was just a value she threw out. Most competition organizers would not tolerate a 9 minute 59 second one-handed solve either.

I guess let me explain to you what your signature conveys. Basically, you make it sound like you're whining, that somehow you have worked so hard at cubing and you deserve things as a result of your hard work. Furthermore, you undermine everyone else's hard work by saying that no one in the world works as hard as you on the cube.

How do you feel you should be rewarded for your hard work? What is the injustice that the world has committed against you, because you have worked so hard at the cube? Do you simply work the hardest out of all the cubers in the world, and no one recognizes you for your work? What type of reward would you like for your work on the cube, that has been more devoted than every other cuber out there?

What I mean is that people probably won't take you seriously if you have that type of attitude about the cube. I'm only telling you this because you asked for an explanation.

@shelley: Please name me one competitor that has ever needed to take up to 2 HOURS to solve a 3x3..

That's irrelevant. No competitor in WCA history has taken that long on an official solve, but that doesn't mean there doesn't exist anyone who takes over an hour to solve a cube. Unless you were born knowing how to solve the cube in under a minute, I'm sure even you have been at that level at some point. And if such a person does wish to compete at a competition, we probably wouldn't allow it.

Just as we won't accommodate someone who takes two hours on a "speed"solve, we won't accommodate someone who wants to do 100 cubes multi-BLD.

Two hours for one 3x3 is bad, but i wouldn't call 100 cubes multi-BLD bad.

@Shelley: Yeah i meant 2 hours in competition since you related it to MultiBLD in comp having a limit of 2:30 i related to your comment saying no one would be allowed of the 2 hours for a 3x3 as well but no one really ever has, andyes i know that is still a number, a limit for the 3x3 is accomomdated to the type of event it is, so as u know the limit for the 3x3 would be a lot less then say a puzzle that takes a lot longer, if u get what i mean.

@Tyson: Yeah it was really just a number she threw it im just saying like the limit is close to that event itself like i mentioned above if it made any sense lol. and about my sig sorry if you misunderstood but i dont mean that at all. I am whining a little but hey i dont expect people to pay much attention to my sig anyway, and what i REALLY meant was I am the LEAST REWARDED for as hard as I do work. (which is a LOT btw)

@Tim: Yes another good point i wanted to mention.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Okay
What??? You mean me? i should organize a competition?!

Sure.. why not?

I'd love to do that...am i allowed to do that?!

Of course you are - how do you think competitions happen? You can even compete in it if you have someone else as the main judge. And you have to get a delegate. All the usual stuff to organize one. It's a lot of work, but you can do it.

You and Tim could hold competitions for each other so you can break the record as many times as you want. You just need enough other competitors, so you could have two events, for instance: 3x3x3 (to get enough competitors) and multiBLD. Or throw in whatever you want enough to justify doing it. Maybe throw in a favorite event of a nearby delegate so you can get the delegate to come.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

YEAH! i bet Dennis would have the most KICK ASS competition EVER!

 

[shelley]

@Shelley: Yeah i meant 2 hours in competition since you related it to MultiBLD in comp having a limit of 2:30 i related to your comment saying no one would be allowed of the 2 hours for a 3x3 as well but no one really ever has, andyes i know that is still a number, a limit for the 3x3 is accomomdated to the type of event it is, so as u know the limit for the 3x3 would be a lot less then say a puzzle that takes a lot longer, if u get what i mean.

Wow.. that was one of the least coherent responses I've read on this thread.

I wasn't relating a 2 hour solve to multi-BLD. I was only illustrating that allowing a 2 hour solver isn't practical considering the way we typically run competitions. Similarly, allowing a 100 multi-BLD attempt isn't practical if we only have 8 hours to work with and other events to run.

I know you want to push the limits of multi-BLD. If you can do 50 or 100 or whatever crazy number of cubes multi-BLD at home that's great. But for an official attempt, you have to work with competition officials, fellow competitors, competition schedules. You have to be willing to make some compromises.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

@Shelley: Yeah i meant 2 hours in competition since you related it to MultiBLD in comp having a limit of 2:30 i related to your comment saying no one would be allowed of the 2 hours for a 3x3 as well but no one really ever has, andyes i know that is still a number, a limit for the 3x3 is accomomdated to the type of event it is, so as u know the limit for the 3x3 would be a lot less then say a puzzle that takes a lot longer, if u get what i mean.

Wow.. that was one of the least coherent responses I've read on this thread.

I wasn't relating a 2 hour solve to multi-BLD. I was only illustrating that allowing a 2 hour solver isn't practical considering the way we typically run competitions. Similarly, allowing a 100 multi-BLD attempt isn't practical if we only have 8 hours to work with and other events to run.

I know you want to push the limits of multi-BLD. If you can do 50 or 100 or whatever crazy number of cubes multi-BLD at home that's great. But for an official attempt, you have to work with competition officials, fellow competitors, competition schedules. You have to be willing to make some compromises.

yes it was quite weird and made no sense cause i was typing it in a hurry sorry lol. i basically meant limits for the puzzles should be set depending on the event/category. obviously a lot longer for the harder and time consuming puzzles. and multiBLD i believe fits into a category that i believe should be given the time to solve as many cubes as they want because afterall they ARE given a choice to how many they can solve, so are we now saying people arent allowed to choose then because really who can do 50 or 60 cubes in under 2:30 hours? its not IMPOSSIBLE yeah but HIGLY unlikely. and yeah i also understand what u mean about making comprises but didnt dennis already talk about that? or maybe just me talking to rowe on msn.. not sure but we mentioned about maybe just competition time given or maybe just like 5 or 6 hour limit with 8 minutes for every cube like it is now.

 

[DennisStrehlau]

YEAH! i bet Dennis would have the most KICK ASS competition EVER!

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Maybe

Greetings...Dennis

 

[Inusagi]

I think it SHOULD be a limit. You can't sit there in the whole day, while doing it, and if the WCA delegate is going home the next day, then he can't watch you and make sure it's official.

 

[Erik]

Hey Dennis, I'm still planning to do Twents Open as you know. The plan is to do most main events on the first day and do fun stuff (still secret) and side events on the 2nd day. If it's up to the organisor to set the time limit at that competition I don't see a problem with making a 4 hour limit or such. Provided you would not be the only one to try a bit amount of course, I hope Tim will come too.

What I saw from some posts (I didn't read all, no time) was that there was a bit confusion about what the purpose of multiBLD exactly is. Maybe we should have such things in the WCA regulations too in the future? Just a side note but multiple blindfolded sounds to me as: 'do as many cubes BLD in a row as you can', which obviously doesn't say anything about time, but of course there is the practical issue that competitions have certain time limits. I think it'd be very bad to put in a 'hard' limit of for example 2:30 in the standard regulations, it'd be good if the organisor can decide about that (I'd call that a 'soft' time limit).
If that's going to be the case (or it is already in fact) maybe there should be guide lines like: 'prefered time limit' somewhere? It'd be weird if one competion would have a 1 hour time limit and the other 6.
anyway, I suck at multiBLD anyway since I don't have a memo system, I wish all you guys who plan to do crazy number the best of luck!

 

[Stefan]

Almost 100 posts about a rumor? The creator of this thread ought to be banned.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

@shelley: Please name me one competitor that has ever needed to take up to 2 HOURS to solve a 3x3..

That's irrelevant. No competitor in WCA history has taken that long on an official solve, but that doesn't mean there doesn't exist anyone who takes over an hour to solve a cube. Unless you were born knowing how to solve the cube in under a minute, I'm sure even you have been at that level at some point. And if such a person does wish to compete at a competition, we probably wouldn't allow it.

From the list on speedcubing.com for 3x3x3:
2174 3 hours 5 minutes Christian Walter First time I tried to solve! 20060228
2175 4 hours Joe Baldwin First time I have ever actually solved one, only got to the LL 5 or 6 times
HEHEHE second slowest time 20060217
2176 5 hours Lyon Saha i'm just not very good at the moment, maybe some day.? 20070312
2177 8 hours 15 minutes Dave Hmurovich My first time ever!!

There's 4.

cant believe i've never seen this post before but Mike i meant in COMPETITION not at home or anything sure i know there are tons of noobs and such who take hours upon hours to solve the cube at home but i meant at comp. nice findings though xD

Sorry for the FUTURE double post

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Almost 100 posts about a rumor? The creator of this thread ought to be banned.

I don't see the 2:30 time limit anywhere in the official regulations. If another competition is willing to devote 5 hours to multi-BLD, you can set the WR there.

The time limit isn't in the regulations, yet; Dennis started this rumor with the following quote:

Rowe and i talked about that, so i'm just posting this:
There might be a time limit for multiple-blindfolded of 2:30 hours.

Shelley: is there a time limit for multiBLD at the US Open?

The 2:30 time limit he's talking about is the time limit we're putting on multi-BLD at the US Open, as we told Rowe. Rowe wanted to attempt 60 cubes, which would take pretty much the whole day. There hasn't been any talk about making 2:30 (or indeed any other time limit) part of the official regulations. At least not to my knowledge.

Hey Shelley I talked to Ron and he said, its official already. But he also told me like: I wont organize competitions with more than 2:30 h time limit........so i guess, if an organizer wants a time limit, that is higher than the 2:30 h, he is still allowed to do that, because then, Ron wouldnt have to say: i wont organize comp. with more than 2:30 h anymore (too much work etc.).

Greetings...Dennis

It's not a rumour.

 

[DennisStrehlau]

Hey Dennis, I'm still planning to do Twents Open as you know. The plan is to do most main events on the first day and do fun stuff (still secret) and side events on the 2nd day. If it's up to the organisor to set the time limit at that competition I don't see a problem with making a 4 hour limit or such. Provided you would not be the only one to try a bit amount of course, I hope Tim will come too.

What I saw from some posts (I didn't read all, no time) was that there was a bit confusion about what the purpose of multiBLD exactly is. Maybe we should have such things in the WCA regulations too in the future? Just a side note but multiple blindfolded sounds to me as: 'do as many cubes BLD in a row as you can', which obviously doesn't say anything about time, but of course there is the practical issue that competitions have certain time limits. I think it'd be very bad to put in a 'hard' limit of for example 2:30 in the standard regulations, it'd be good if the organisor can decide about that (I'd call that a 'soft' time limit).
If that's going to be the case (or it is already in fact) maybe there should be guide lines like: 'prefered time limit' somewhere? It'd be weird if one competion would have a 1 hour time limit and the other 6.
anyway, I suck at multiBLD anyway since I don't have a memo system, I wish all you guys who plan to do crazy number the best of luck!

nice idea and some really good points erik...thanks!

Greetings...Dennis

 

[DennisStrehlau]

Almost 100 posts about a rumor? The creator of this thread ought to be banned.

Why banned? What did i do?!