Time Limit For Multi!!!

[DennisStrehlau]

Rowe and i talked about that, so i'm just posting this:

There might be a time limit for multiple-blindfolded of 2:30 hours.
I think, that this is not really good, because the WR (24/24 in 2:15 h )will be really hard to break then, because as you know, Tim is one of the fastest at this.
There will never be a problem with the judge, because you can just install a screen, so that the cuber cannot see anything and the judge doesn't have to hold a piece of paper at all and the judge can sitch like every 30 min.
I dont understand the time-limit, because not many cubers really need more than 2:30 hours anyway, you only really need it, if you want to break the WR and there shouldnt be a time limit for that!
So where is the real problem?
Lets say:
You have a time limit for
2:30 hours and 10 min per cube...BUT if you want to beat the WR (that REALLY doesnt happen often ), you get the normal time limit of 10 min per cube, because multiple-blindfolded is a REALLY nice event wich fascinates MANY people at competitions...
And there is NO OTHER EVENT, where you cant break the WR cause of any limit!
So if you miss some events, you have to deal with that yourself, because nobody forces you to do that!

Please tell us what YOU THINK about that, cause we really want to know!

Thanks a lot, Rowe and Dennis

 

[tim]

It's great, since i always saw multi bld as the "hour cards" for speedcubing.

Dennis: The only reason i'm faster than you is, that you didn't practice as much as i did.

 

[ExoCorsair]

I don't think there should be a time limit. If someone wants to try 100 cubes over the course of an entire competition day, he should be allowed to do it.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

I don't think there should be a time limit. If someone wants to try 100 cubes over the course of an entire competition day, he should be allowed to do it.

I dont think i could have said it even better myself. EXACTLY.

 

[tim]

I don't think there should be a time limit. If someone wants to try 100 cubes over the course of an entire competition day, he should be allowed to do it.

So, i'm forced to miss other events if i want to win multi bld?

 

[masterofthebass]

I think that the time limit makes perfect sense, as WRs aren't supposed to be easy to break. I think that you would both agree that 30 cubes is really not much harder than 24 cubes. It makes the number really meaningless as a representative of someone's ability. I think with a restrictive time, it makes people have to be better the event, instead of just being able to memorize large amounts of items. I have other ideas for the event, but they have already been thought of by people (tyson) a while ago, and would change the event completely, so I'm not going to say them.

 

[Mike Hughey]

And there is NO OTHER EVENT, where you cant break the WR cause of any limit!

Of course, on the flip side, there is NO OTHER EVENT which takes longer as you get better at it. With multiBLD, the way it is scored now, the better you are at it, the longer you take.

The problem with the event the way it is now is that I really don't see why someone couldn't do what Ryosuke did (only a little faster, so it would meet the 10 minute limit) and take all day on a solve.

I really don't think it would take me more than a few hours of preparation (to invent 20 more Roman Rooms) in order for me to make a serious, honest attempt at 30 cubes. I would probably take very close to 10 minutes per cube to do it, but I think I could get it done in that time now, and I think I would have a very slight but real chance of getting them all right. And despite that, I know I'm not in the same league with Tim.

But it would be challenging to find a way to fix this event without completely invalidating previous results. It just seems like there's no good solution to this problem.

Right now, I'm worried about the US Open because I really would like to compete in fewest moves as well, and I'm wondering if that will limit the number of cubes I will be able to try for multiBLD. I may not get another chance at multiBLD, so I'd like this try to be a pretty good one. (No, I'm not going for 30 cubes, but I would like it to be a rather high number.)

 

[Simboubou]

I don't think there should be any limit...
The only problem, I think, is that it is very boring for the judge and hard to organize ( I know that, I am organising the Toulouse summer open ). Maybe if we used some better blindfolds for this event, the paper would no longer be needed, the judge would just have to keep an eye on the compititor. He could even judge several competitor at the time. And the judges may switch their places once in a while...

 

[tim]

Right now, I'm worried about the US Open because I really would like to compete in fewest moves as well, and I'm wondering if that will limit the number of cubes I will be able to try for multiBLD. I may not get another chance at multiBLD, so I'd like this try to be a pretty good one. (No, I'm not going for 30 cubes, but I would like it to be a rather high number.)

Go for 30 cubes and skip FM!

 

[Sebastien]

So, i'm forced to miss other events if i want to win multi bld?

Yeah, i think so. But is that something new? At the German Open you would have missed magic, master magic, clock and 2x2 with a 2:30 multi-BLD. There are so many events right now, that they are already overlapping at almost all competitions, mostly time intensive events like multi-BLD, 4x4 BLD, 5x5 BLD and fewest moves. So you already have to miss events if you just want to participate (not even to win) at others.

Of course i don't think you should have as many time as you want to set a WR (I'm sure I could do 100 cubes blindfolded with a year for memo ) but there already is a very reasonable time limit with 10 minutes per cube that needs no improvement.
In general i consider it as quite senseless to set an overall time limit for an unlimited number of cubes. And finally I can't see the sense in it for the organisators, because if someone decides to miss other events to do a really big number of cubes, it is just his problem i think.

 

[DennisStrehlau]

@Simboubou:
EXACTLY man and a screen in fron of the competitior would solve that problem!

@Sebastien:
Yes man, i think exactly the same way!

Greetings...Dennis

 

[tim]

So, i'm forced to miss other events if i want to win multi bld?

Yeah, i think so. But is that something new? At the German Open you would have missed magic, master magic, clock and 2x2 with a 2:30 multi-BLD. There are so many events right now, that they are already overlapping at almost all competitions, mostly time intensive events like multi-BLD, 4x4 BLD, 5x5 BLD and fewest moves. So you already have to miss events if you just want to participate (not even to win) at others.

Cuber X tries 30 cubes.
Cuber tim has to try 31 cubes to win and will miss several events => dilemma.

And yes: It's something new. With a time limit for each(!) event, it's obvious before(!) you register for a competition which events you can take part in.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Cuber X tries 30 cubes.
Cuber tim has to try 31 cubes to win and will miss several events => dilemma.

And yes: It's something new. With a time limit for each(!) event, it's obvious before(!) you register for a competition which events you can take part in.

But cuber tim does not know that cuber X is going to try 30 cubes. So cuber tim has to guess how many cubes cuber X is going to try, and may have to miss even more events just to be sure he's going to win (what if someone tries to talk cuber X into trying 50?) (can you think of anyone who might do that?).

And Tim, Dennis mentioned that you're the reason he tried 20 cubes at the German Open. Trying to affect the US Open the same way? And I'm not sure I can see buying 20 more cubes between now and then (and I have a crazy color scheme so I probably can't handle borrowed cubes well enough).

 

[DennisStrehlau]

Well, if you want to win multi when someone tries to do WR, of course, you will miss other events then, but thats NOT very often...and thats the way it always has been.
By the way, there is no WR-Atempt in every competition!
And if you try to beat WR, who cares, if you cant do 4x4 bf, 5x5 bf or FM (you cant memorize really much after that anyway or think about Fewest Moves very good) and even if there are important events...you have to prioritize.

Greetings...Dennis

 

[Dene]

I think, if you want to excel at every event you're being piggy. Especially you guys who can get to many competitions every year. We all know you're fast, so pick a few that you want to excel at and everyone's happy. There shouldn't be a time limit.

 

[pcharles93]

I have a solution that might work for people that have to miss events because of one time-consuming one. If that cuber really wants to attempt a multiBLD WR that would take all of the competition's duration, he can show up early and do his averages for all of the other events he's registered in. Immediately after finishing those averages, he starts his multiBLD so he can't tell the other competitors about the scrambles he was given.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

I don't think there should be a time limit. If someone wants to try 100 cubes over the course of an entire competition day, he should be allowed to do it.

So, i'm forced to miss other events if i want to win multi bld?

um.. only if your sole purpose is to try a huge amount that well take awhile and again if someone is going to do that its your OWN DECISION. we can NOT have a 2:30 time limit but YOU can make the choice not to sacrifice your other events or not, but the people who REALLY practice for MultiBLD and are going for a HUGE amount let them make that decision thereselves.

 

[tim]

I don't think there should be a time limit. If someone wants to try 100 cubes over the course of an entire competition day, he should be allowed to do it.

So, i'm forced to miss other events if i want to win multi bld?

um.. only if your sole purpose is to try a huge amount that well take awhile and again if someone is going to do that its your OWN DECISION. we can NOT have a 2:30 time limit but YOU can make the choice not to sacrifice your other events or not, but the people who REALLY practice for MultiBLD and are going for a HUGE amount let them make that decision thereselves.

It's not my decision, you haven't read my other post.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

I don't think there should be a time limit. If someone wants to try 100 cubes over the course of an entire competition day, he should be allowed to do it.

So, i'm forced to miss other events if i want to win multi bld?

um.. only if your sole purpose is to try a huge amount that well take awhile and again if someone is going to do that its your OWN DECISION. we can NOT have a 2:30 time limit but YOU can make the choice not to sacrifice your other events or not, but the people who REALLY practice for MultiBLD and are going for a HUGE amount let them make that decision thereselves.

It's not my decision, you haven't read my other post.

dilemna? how is it a dliemna? you want WR dont you? sacrifice what u need to get it. the person before you if they broke WR had to, so why should'nt you have to also?

 

[DavidWoner]

i think they should give you 10 minutes for each cube you are attempting. so someone attemptin 8 cubes would have 80 minutes, or 1 hour 20 minutes to complete their solves. based on the records of tim haabermass(24 attempts in 136 minutes, 5:40/cube), rowe hessler(30 attempts in 264 minutes, 8:48/cube), dennis strehlau(10 attempts in 97 minutes, 9:43 per cube), and ryosuke mondo(18 attempts in 130 minutes, 7:13 per cube) 10 minutes per cube seems to be a fairly reasonable limit for the higher multiblinds. besides, every other event gets 10 minutes to solve each puzzle(except fm), why shouldnt multiblind get 10 minutes per puzzle?