OLL, The Daunting Task

[dabest2500]

I've finally finished learning all PLLs, just need to work on G Perm and V Perm (which way to orientate it) recognition a bit and I'm done.
The next thing to learn would be full OLL, but I have some questions before Istart learning them:

1) How much time do you save over 2Look OLL in general?
2) Is learning all the OLLs hard, there's 57 of them but maybe the algs are easy?

Thanks everyone, and thank you to everyone that helped me learn the PLLs

 

[MaeLSTRoM]

I think that there are 2 options.
1) Learn full OLL in sections as desribed in the wiki, P Cases, Lighting bolts etc...
2) Look into methods like VHF2L which orient the edges during F2L, meaning that you only need the 7 algorithms from 2-look OLL

 

[dabest2500]

I'm actually learning from badmephisto's website
I don't want to look too deeply into F2L yet, I want to finish the easier stuff first.

 

[irontwig]

A lot of OLLs are just variations of eachother, e.g: r U R' U' r' F R F', R U R' U' R' F R F', M U R U R' U' R' F R F' M'.

 

[Godmil]

There are a ton of algs but they're much much easier to learn than PLL, the only advice I can give you is don't try to rush them too quickly... not more than 2 or 3 a day or it's too easy to get them mixed up (especially since many of them are really similar).

 

[dabest2500]

Easier than PLL?
PLL has less than half the algs to remember...

 

[Chickenman]

but algs are shorter and most are fairly similar eg badmephisto has sorted most of them into 3 categories depdending on which trigger they use

 

[Selkie]

Indeed they are easier with fewer moves on average than PLLs. Yes, it looks daunting at the beginning but really is not that difficult if you don't rush them. You already know 7 of them from 2 look, many are just so easy like the T's, many is so simple and really do not require any additional memory such as the 'wide sunes' or are a section from a PLL. Making teh decission to start I guess is the hard part, but once you have its fairly each at a slow rate.

The main factor in me deciding to learn them is starting to cube in my 40's. I realise I will never have the TPS of a teenager so if I want to get to my goal of sub-20 I need to take advantage of anything that reduces looks and moves. Having said that, if I knew how easy in reality it was I see no reason for anyone not to take the plunge, though I will be pleased to be finished within 2 weeks

 

[dabest2500]

And how much time would I save?

 

[Selkie]

Unfortunately that is all relative. If you are sub-15 then maybe a second at best (executing+another recognition). If you are averaging 30 then probably 2-3 seconds. However if you get a all edges flipped OLL case then you are essentially executing 3 alg's in 2 look. The all edges flipped were the 1st ones I learned for this reason. Though when I am done with OLLs I will move on to LL control in F2L.

 

[dabest2500]

I'm averaging 28-33 now.
I don't think I'll start OLL just yet then, looks like I need to work on F2L first.

 

[freshcuber]

Just make sure your F2L is optimized and start OLL. Don't bother with VHF2L. OLL is easy to learn.

 

[JonnyWhoopes]

Don't bother with VHF2L.

Why? Easy learning is relative to yourself, and not a sufficient reason.

 

[FatBoyXPC]

Once your PLL recognition is good enough to not be confused, I suggest you go ahead and start working on OLL. The biggest thing to overcome is OLL recognition. since there are 57 new cases, it's many more cases that you have to start recalling.

OLL and PLL are significantly different, in terms of what you need to memorize. You can use many similar recall techniques though.

If you want an OLL guide, there are already a few threads on this (where myself and others have given quite a few "easy" cases, there are a lot of those), or you could read:

http://fatboy.geekside.com/cube/learnll.txt

 

[MichaelP.]