PLL skip, does it realy exist?

[ExtazyCuber]

PLL skip or is it that you accidently did a CLL, without you knowing?
tell me what u think

 

[ErikJ]

if you are expecting to have to do a certain step and and it turns out you don't have to do it then you skipped that step.

 

[Sa967St]

All OLL algs are CLL algs too.


edit: except for three: OLL 20, 28, and 57 .

 

[emolover]

All OLL algs are CLL algs too.

Wrong.

Yes they do exist.

 

[Kynit]

Wrong.

Which ones aren't?

 

[Sa967St]

Wrong.

...other than OELL algs. >_>

 

[JonnyWhoopes]

Wrong.

Bahahahahaha.

::EDIT::

...other than OELL algs. >_>

Ohh, yah. I always force edges skip for FreeFOP, so I forgot about those.

 

[Kynit]

...other than OELL algs. >_>

Nothing says that an OELL alg can't permute corners. It probably isn't optimal ever, but you could have an alg like that.

 

[Sa967St]

Nothing says that an OELL alg can't permute corners. It probably isn't optimal ever, but you could have an alg like that.

The optimal OELL algs are ELL algs, and those are what most people use for those cases. Very few people use CPEOLL.

 

[JonnyWhoopes]

Nothing says that an OELL alg can't permute corners. It probably isn't optimal ever, but you could have an alg like that.

But even that doesn't mean that all OLLs are CLLs.

 

[Anonymous]

"Accidentally perform a CLL"
"Get a PLL skip"
These aren't mutually exclusive. Every time you get a PLL skip after a normal OLL case, you've "accidentally" performed a 1LLL algorithm. I'm not sure what you're asking, though, because sure you performed a CLL alg. You also permuted the edges correctly without (or, at least, usually without) knowing, though.

 

[Sa967St]

ELLs are OLLs.
ELLs are not CLLs.
∴Not all OLLs are CLLs.

Here I was pointing out that "you accidently did a CLL" didn't make much sense since you (almost) always affect CO and/or CP when doing an OLL.



anyway back on topic, a PLL skip is when you skip the PLL stage, whether it was intentional or not. Whenever you get a "lucky" PLL skip and didn't see it coming, you would have done an accidental 1LLL (for CFOP).

 

[Kirjava]

ELLs are OLLs.

Not all of them.

 

[Sa967St]

non-EPLL ELLs >_>

 

[Kirjava]

You didn't specify that non-OELL OLLs are CLLs, my pedantry is totally justified

 

[Sa967St]

non-EPLL ELLs are OLLs too.
non-EPLL ELLs are not CLLs (neither are EPLLs anyway).
∴Not all OLLs are CLLs too.

Better?

 

[Kirjava]

Now do OLLCP and ZBLL

 

[irontwig]

Nothing says that an OELL alg can't permute corners. It probably isn't optimal ever, but you could have an alg like that.

R' F R' b2 R F' R' b2 R2 Optimal in HTM.

On topic: The way I see it is that either you know the LL case or you don't.

 

[Kirjava]

R' F R' b2 R F' R' b2 R2 Optimal in HTM.

On topic: The way I see it is that either you know the LL case or you don't.

R'FR'F2LF'L'F2R2 is a better execution for that alg, but rUR'U'r'FR2U'R'U'RUR'F' is probz faster.

 

[irontwig]

My way makes it more obvious that it's a conjugated pair cycle though.