Why can't people think for themselves?

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I'm just wondering, but what's the deal with people sticking to dictionary definitions or things their teachers told them, even when they don't make sense?

There are actually people walking around who think 0 isn't a number (it is, and a very useful one at that), or the slope of a vertical line cannot be defined (it can, easily), or black means reflecting absolutely no light (not the way actual people use it), or the Christian God is violently anti-homosexual (he calls it an "abomination"... just like eating shellfish or pork).

Believe it or not, guys, authority figures can be wrong. Think for yourselves, do some basic research. It will make you smarter.
 
venting much?

<3 lelouch dp. .. no homo lol.

I think people don't "think" because either they don't care, it's easier than learning the truth or they have too much faith in what you called authority figures. Or in fact they do think and act like this to see reactions, instigate so-called philosophical discussions (wayyy too many such threads on this forum) or just get attention.
My solution? Ignore mostly and reprimand/rage now and then :)
 
There are actually people walking around who think 0 isn't a number (it is, and a very useful one at that), or the slope of a vertical line cannot be defined (it can, easily), or black means reflecting absolutely no light (not the way actual people use it), or the Christian God is violently anti-homosexual (he calls it an "abomination"... just like eating shellfish or pork).
Naivety is not a crime. You simply cannot be an expert in absolutely everything in the world and to expect this of people is naive in itself...so I forgive you! ;)

What's there to get upset about?
 
But hey, by posting this qq is giving himself authority and therfore could be wrong? Ya get me?!

No.

Good. Cos he speaks truths.
 
someone should post logs for comic effect.


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People never see themselves as dumb, they only see other people as dumb. Yet there are dumb people.

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People never see themselves as dumb, they only see only people as dumb. Yet there are dumb people.

And we all are better drivers than than all the other people on the roads too.

RE: thinking for yourself, This reminds me a little bit of "why can't people just use commons sense?" to which my answer always is "there is no such thing as common sense".

Which it proven every so many months by my wife when she, again..., uses an office chair with wheels, to stand on to grab something at height...
 
Michael,

I completely agree with the sentiment. I stand by my first post in this thread as an explanation of the prevailing attitude of why people don't think for themselves.

I see this all the time in my math class. A perfect example is unit conversions. A student will call me over with an issue solving a problem. The problem reads: "Convert 500 meters into an equivalent measurement in kilometers."

A typical student reaction will be: "Well, I know there are 1000m in 1km, but does that mean I multiply the 500 and 1000, or divide?" My typical response to such a question is "You tell me." What I am implying here, and what I explain to them that I want them to do is to start brainstorming on how to figure out this question. I don't care whether or not you already know to multiply or divide on this problem, that's why you're in my class - to learn how to do many topics, one of which includes learning how to do unit conversions. However, in my class not knowing what to do is not an excuse to just throw your hands up in defeat.

I slowly prod them along to basically do something along the lines of "Try something, anything." I usually will have the students do both multiplication and division. Multiplying 500 * 1000 = 500,000 (implied km). Dividing gives 500/1000 = 0.5 (implied km).

I then ask them: "Which answer seems more reasonable?" More often than not this draws a blank stare from the student and an "I don't get it." I then tell them that they know one of these answers is very likely correct (one of them is), but they have to brainstorm and figure out which one makes more sense.

"How long is one kilometer?" I usually say. "Give me an example of something that is one kilometer away from you right now." They then guess some location on a different part of campus that is approx. 1km away.

"How long is 1 meter?" Same process, answer is usually "To the end of the table." (correct).

"So 500 meters, would be like 500 tables end to end right?" Student: "Right."

"So which answer (500,000km or 0.5km) seems to be the closest to 500 tables laid end to end?"

"Ooooooh, ok. 500,000km is way off."

"Exactly."

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Again, I'm not implying that the students are "dumb" by any means. They don't understand the topic, and again that is fine. That's why they take this class, to learn that topic among many others.

What baffles me is the fact that so few students have a) the self confidence, and b) the drive, to brainstorm a situation to figure out how to do the problem. Not knowing the answer right off the bat is absolutely fine! You're not going to immediately know the answer to every question ever asked you throughout your entire life. The main thing is taking the time to try to figure out how to approach a topic you don't know how to do.

I just don't understand the concept of "I'm stuck, so I give up." It makes more sense to say "I'm stuck, so let me try lots of different things until I hit on something that seems like I'm on the right track."

That's the part that gets me. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but I had to throw in my two cents as well.

Chris
 
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In fairness, having a definition from a set source gives us some sort of ability to say right or wrong. I think if we could freely define words as debates happen (as long as you have some sort of validity as to why it could be that way) then (some) things would never get settled.
 
Come on, grow up, get over yourselves. Most people do actually think for themselves, but maybe simply don't give a toss about being able to define the slope of a vertical line. You're measuring people's ability to think for themselves using an extremely narrow spectrum of reasonning. Some people may simply have an appreciation of more aesthetic or non-quantifiable matters.
 
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Come on, grow up, get over yourselves. Most people do actually think from themselves, but maybe simply don't give a toss about being able to define the slope of a vertical line. You're measuring people's ability to think for themselves using an extremely narrow spectrum of reasonning. Some people may simply have an appreciation of more aesthetic or non-quantifiable matters.

I teach math at an Entertainment Arts school, so trust me in that I've heard this argument MANY times. Having an appreciation for the finer things in life is great, but what happens when you are presented with your first mortgage to sign? Or how are you going to manage your monthly bills such that you can pay your rent/food/other bills AND for your college education, and not go broke?

If the process of brainstorming through a topic in this class is too difficult (most problems are arguably between 2-5 steps), then how will you ever manage to balance your checking account with all of your bills taken into account? Learning to think for yourself is not a skill whose only use is in the classroom. It is an essential life skill that people need to hone and practice, just like any other skill.

It would be like saying "I want to get faster at my F2L, but I have an appreciation for the finer things in life so I don't want to drill my algs. I know that I'm capable of just thinking myself through to being faster." It just doesn't work that way.

Having an appreciation for the finer things in life is also not an excuse for not thinking for yourself. How would you get over an artistic block where your ideas stop flowing? You would need to try other side projects, work on your project from a different angle. Basically do something, anything that you feel could get you out of this block. How is this not the same kind of thinking for yourself that we ask people to do in a classroom?

I don't think it's any different.

Chris
 
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