California Proposition 19 (Legalization of Marijuana)

[Innocence]

Why?

Simple.

I hate people

Senkoy hates people
Potheads = people
Senkoy hates potheads.

Q.E.D He doesn't need a reason specific to potheads.

 

[amostay2004]

Hating potheads is not a reason at all to go against this proposition because whether or not marijuana is legalised, people can get hold of them easily. The whole purpose of this proposition is to have better control over the availability of marijuana.

It's the same reasoning behind sex education. If you teach your children about sex, they will be aware and know what is right to do. If you keep it from them, they will just be more curious and learn it from the wrong resources.

 

[riffz]

Yeah, we might finally have the explanation.

I irl lolled when I read this, which is bad because I'm sitting in an office cubicle.

 

[Senkoy]

I hate some people more than others, like pothead,

The reason i hate potheads is cause i have really bad short term memory, and i DESPISE it. So. Damn. Much. I forget things instantly. It pisses me off. And yet there are people who do it to themselves on purpose and for what? To get yourself all stupid? Why? Seriously why? How could it possibly be worth damaging your mind? Here I am with awful short term memory never having smoked a single joint in my life and other people do it to themselves for stupid reasons. Pisses me off.

 

[FatBoyXPC]

Senkoy, you do realize secondhand smoke is no different than "first hand" smoke from a joint, right? The reason it's called secondhand smoke is because it's unfiltered.

 

[Andreaillest]

I hate some people more than others, like pothead,

The reason i hate potheads is cause i have really bad short term memory, and i DESPISE it. So. Damn. Much. I forget things instantly. It pisses me off. And yet there are people who do it to themselves on purpose and for what? To get yourself all stupid? Why? Seriously why? How could it possibly be worth damaging your mind? Here I am with awful short term memory never having smoked a single joint in my life and other people do it to themselves for stupid reasons. Pisses me off.

I'm sure they are well aware of what they are doing with their bodies. You shouldn't hate a group of people just because of THEIR decisions and what THEY decide to do with their bodies. It shouldn't effect or bother you. It's their choice.

Also, marijuana can effect people differently. Some people have no problems using it, others might. Some might get short term memory loss, others won't.

 

[Senkoy]

fatboyxpc, when i mentioned second hand smoke i was referring to cigarettes. I don't know about joints though.

AndreaBananas, i agree, i shouldn't, but i still do. They just seem worthless to me.

 

[Hadley4000]

fatboyxpc, when i mentioned second hand smoke i was referring to cigarettes. I don't know about joints though.

AndreaBananas, i agree, i shouldn't, but i still do. They just seem worthless to me.

Second hand from weed is totally benign. Not enough to get you high, and doesn't cause lung damage. Nothing but a sweet smell .

Worthless? I think you'll notice that most potheads really do accomplish a lot. Tommy Chong, though HILARIOUS, really gave a bad name to the potheads. He(And along with movies like Dazed and Confused), really tried to put out the "Wow hey man" style of pot head. But, why would movies show people sitting around having perfectly normal conversations? That would be boring. People think of stoners in the "Wow groovy dude" light because of movies and TV. That's what will sell, not someone chatting about life while eating Cheetos.

 

[Johan444]

One spliff a day keep the evil away ~~~~~~~~~~ *_____________*

 

[Hadley4000]

One spliff a day keep the evil away ~~~~~~~~~~ *_____________*

Except that spliffs suck =P. No tobacco should be used.

 

[Johan444]

Except that spliffs suck =P. No tobacco should be used.

Ya, a friend told me Americans don't mix :]

 

[Hadley4000]

Ya, a friend told me Americans don't mix :]

Only if trying to be secretive, so that the tobacco smell covers it up. Some people here do it, but the average J is just pot.

 

[AngeL]

All of this makes me want to smoke it for the first time!! I'm like really close to Denver... hmmmm....

Try it! I honestly think everyone should try it once, even if they never do afterwards. It's really an experience unlike any other. That's part of why stoners seem so weird to non-smokers: You can't really put the feeling into words so trying to describe it to someone who hasn't also felt the same thing seems stupid.

If you try it once and say it isn't for you, then fantastic. The only thing you lost was a couple of hours that you didn't enjoy. If you like it, then you've discovered a great new way to have fun with some friends. Seems like a win-win to me. I don't know how anyone can get through life never even trying it ONCE. Sheer curiosity would be too overwhelming for me.

 

[Hadley4000]

Try it! I honestly think everyone should try it once, even if they never do afterwards. It's really an experience unlike any other. That's part of why stoners seem so weird to non-smokers: You can't really put the feeling into words so trying to describe it to someone who hasn't also felt the same thing seems stupid.

If you try it once and say it isn't for you, then fantastic. The only thing you lost was a couple of hours that you didn't enjoy. If you like it, then you've discovered a great new way to have fun with some friends. Seems like a win-win to me. I don't know how anyone can get through life never even trying it ONCE. Sheer curiosity would be too overwhelming for me.

However, a LOT of people don't get stoned on their first time smoking. So if someone tries it and doesn't get high, they shouldn't write it off.

 

[Tyson]

I don't really follow this logic of "trying it" because you should try everything once. There are certainly things that I don't think need to be tried once. People should just make their own decisions whether or not they want to try something.

With this being said, of course, if you haven't tried it, I don't think you really have as much of a right to go off ranting about how destructive something is, or how bad it is. It's like non-drinkers saying that alcohol is so bad that it should be banned.

Fast-food probably causes more deaths than alcohol. I don't have the numbers on this, but it would be interesting to find. Heart-disease being the leading cause of death, obesity is number two and closing in. I would say alcohol, tobacco cigarettes, and fast-food are all much more harmful to society than marijuana. If it's government's role to tell its citizens what it can and cannot do for health reasons (and I don't believe it is), then those things should go first.

I hate some people more than others, like pothead,

The reason i hate potheads is cause i have really bad short term memory, and i DESPISE it. So. Damn. Much. I forget things instantly. It pisses me off. And yet there are people who do it to themselves on purpose and for what? To get yourself all stupid? Why? Seriously why? How could it possibly be worth damaging your mind? Here I am with awful short term memory never having smoked a single joint in my life and other people do it to themselves for stupid reasons. Pisses me off.

Hmm, yeah? What's your 3x3 BLD time? I'm very confident I can find you a pot smoker who's faster than you. (3x3, which I find to be an event which highlights the ability of short-term memory). Making such a generalization is simply ignorant, and unfair, and is a sign that no one should take your statements with any credence. Plenty of pot heads are productive members of society. Plenty of drinkers are productive, and so are smokers.

 

[Stefan]

if you haven't tried it, I don't think you really have as much of a right to go off ranting about how destructive something is, or how bad it is. It's like non-drinkers saying that alcohol is so bad that it should be banned.

Bad example. You don't need to drink to be affected by drunk people. If you're affected or potentially affected enough, I'd say you do have a right to rant against it and request a ban. More interestingly, I don't see how drinking could give you that right.

 

[Hadley4000]

Plenty of pot heads are productive members of society. Plenty of drinkers are productive, and so are smokers.

That's the point I was trying to get across. Some of the smartest people I know smoke everyday. Sure, pot makes you dumb. For 2 hours.

There are no proven studies(Except for one that was conducted in a stupid manner, and later apologized for by the scientist for not actually proving anything from marijuana itself) that show brain damage. On the contrary, (I might have said this already), Dr. Xia Zhaung on University of Vancouver proved that it has the ability to STIMULATE brain cells rather than damage them.

The only memory loss it really causes is brief short term. Not lasting short term. For example, you can sober up and have no idea where you put your remote, but that isn't an ongoing side effect. Also, as Tyson said, alcohol, tobacco and fast food all have much higher death rates than marijuana. Largely due to the fact that no one has died from marijuana use alone. You would have to smoke 1 joint every 5 seconds for 20 minutes to be able to reach a fatal dose.

And again, if it had long term effects like memory loss, lung cancer, emphysema, wouldn't organizations like DARE have them broadcast every 5 minutes?

 

[Senkoy]

Seriously, there's only been one study? I highly doubt that. And so what if there are smart potheads? Who knows how much smarter they'd be if they didn't do that crap.

Also, when i say potheads, i don't mean everyone who smokes weed. I'm referring to the equivalent of an alcoholic, that all they do is smoke and are high all the time. But i do agree a lot of other stuff is worse than weed that's legal, like alcohol.

 

[cmhardw]

I do agree that research seems to indicate that THC is at least not more damaging than alcohol when used often, or to excess. However, I do wonder at the effects of a child growing up in a pot smoking household and being exposed to the smoke for their entire formative developmental years. I don't like the fact that pot smoke can be be breathed in by the non-smokers in the room. And for those saying you don't get high off it, you certainly can get a contact buzz. I absolutely hate getting this feeling when you want to remain not high.

Alcohol drinking does not create the effects of the alcohol in the non-users in the room, THC does.

 

[Hadley4000]

Seriously, there's only been one study? I highly doubt that. And so what if there are smart potheads? Who knows how much smarter they'd be if they didn't do that crap.

Also, when i say potheads, i don't mean everyone who smokes weed. I'm referring to the equivalent of an alcoholic, that all they do is smoke and are high all the time. But i do agree a lot of other stuff is worse than weed that's legal, like alcohol.

It was a study done on monkeys, where they had gas masks attached to their faces with smoke pumped in to it. It was suffocating the poor little fella's, and the scientists later apologized for a biased study. Since then completely contradictory studies have been recorded.

Also, for a pothead to be compared to an alcoholic, I think there must some some big similarities.
Not addictive
Does not cause long term physical harm
Does not keep you from functioning

Some people are VERY functional while high. Not everyone sits around, listens to music and laughs. Most people are more creative. A lot of potheads do very well in classes stoned, some write better stoned.

Hell, one could argue that too much COFFEE could make someone have a harder time in class. Makes you jittery, sometimes lack focus, and anxious at high doses(Not to knock caffeine, I do love the stuff). But weed can make you take in information in a different way, process it in a more creative manner, and makes boring classes more fun!


I don't really think that the effects of alcohol and weed should really be compared. As the master, the legend, the king, Bob Marley said.

Alcohol justs gets you drunk, it don't make you meditate, just make you drunk. Herb is more a consciousness.