what is the 3x3x3 single WR boundary.

3x3x3 single WR boundary


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*throws masterball*

I thought throwing puzzles/balls wasn't allowed anymore after the infamous megaminx-throw and several Rama-related-juggling-ball-incidents

Nah, it's just your assumption that sucks :)
So your math was sound, but your grammar wasn't? Weak defence
I just want to make clear that I am not picking on you just for fun. I want people to realise that just because something (a comet hitting earth, killing all life) has a very slight chance of happening at all, that doesn't mean that is is more likely to happen 1000 years from now than it is to happen tomorrow. Of course it is much more likely that it will happen in the future than that it will happen exactly tomorrow
 
A friend once said to me, "I think the fastest WR there will be in human history will be 4 or 5 seconds." (This guy is now KBoyForeverB here). I think that the WR will stop going down, not when people can't get any faster, but when speedcubing dies out and no one cares anymore.
 
Why is the lowest value fixed? Isn't there any chance that WR would might be faster than 4.50?

bluecloe45, Plaincow: You guys know that the current WR is 7.08, right?

I think that the WR will stop going down, not when people can't get any faster, but when speedcubing dies out and no one cares anymore.

What do you mean?
 
So your math was sound, but your grammar wasn't? Weak defence
Huh? What was wrong with the grammar?

Let's revisit Carson's quote:
Assuming organizer's do not throw out scrambles because they are too easy: someone will eventually get something like a R U R' or a U Perm as a solution. It could happen this weekend, or it could be 10 years from now
First of all: "someone will eventually" implies that we're talking about the first occurence. Secondly, the examples of "this weekend" and "10 years from now" suggest that there's a reasonable chance that this happens in our lifetime. And that is simply very doubtful.

Of course it is much more likely that it will happen in the future than that it will happen exactly tomorrow
In this case, yes. But not always! Imagine you're flipping a coin. When is the first time you get heads? Is it more likely to happen in the first three attempts or in the next billion? That's right, more likely in just the first three! About seven times as likely! And the expected number of attempts is just 2.

Back to the cubing case. There are 43*10^18 possible states. I'll be generous and extend Carson's lucky scrambles to all that can be solved in up to four moves (about 47000) and all "alg scrambles" (let's say you know 100 algs and you can apply them from 24 angles). That's about 50000 such lucky scrambles. So about one in 10^15 scrambles. So you'd expect 10^15 scrambles until the first such lucky one. I'll be generous again and assume we have 50 competitions every weekend with 4 rounds and thus 20 scrambles each, so 1000 scrambles every weekend. So you'd expect it to take 10^12 weekends which is about 19 billion years. That's where my "few billion years" came from (you didn't think I pulled that number out of my ***, did you?). With "few billion" meaning something "could be 4 billion, could be 30 billion, could be something in between".

Remember the coins where it's way more likely to happen in the first three attempts than in all future attempts? Even if I extend Carson's "this weekend" and "10 years" to mean something like "in our lifetime" or "in the next 1000 years", it's much more likely to happen much later, and the expected range is in the billions of years (well, assuming a slight increase from now, and not considering the sun exploding or people stopping cubing or us replacing ourselves with robots than can multiply faster and cube more often or whatever). Also, he said "someone will eventually", and that's rather doubtful, given how long it should take and how much can happen to humans/cubing in the meantime, quite possibly stopping cubing completely so it never happens.

Bottom line: I felt Carson's statement sounded like it's reasonable to expect this to happen in our lifetime, and I disagree and didn't want others to accept it uncritically. I could've estimated how unlikely it is, but I simply preferred to express it in his terms (saying when it might happen).
 
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Nicely put Stefan.
As hard as it is to accept, it's simply the case that if you apply random moves to the cube the 'entropy' will increase. In theory you could get an easy solve, but in reality it's just not going to happen.

... wait sorry, what was this thread about?
Ah yes, so does anyone think that advances in cube construction technology will make faster times easier in the future? It was 7 years ago that I last cubed, so getting my hands on a F2 and Haiyan Memory has been a revelation... I wonder what cubes will be like in another 5-10 years?
 
Obviously if we keep cubing and then eventually have kids, and the process repeats then generations later will have strong finger strength and more brain development going on for look ahead. It's quite simple to assume that we are the cubers of the now, but the leaders of the future!!!!!
 
Obviously if we keep cubing and then eventually have kids, and the process repeats then generations later will have strong finger strength and more brain development going on for look ahead. It's quite simple to assume that we are the cubers of the now, but the leaders of the future!!!!!

That's inheritance of acquired characteristics not evolution, so (unfortunately) that doesn't work.
 
I actually never said it was evolution (if you were addressing me about that directly), but why wouldn't inheritance work?

Actually NO, it was joke no need to further discuss it the aspects of how it would or wouldn't work. o_O
 
I actually never said it was evolution (if you were addressing me about that directly), but why wouldn't inheritance work?

Actually NO, it was joke no need to further discuss it the aspects of how it would or wouldn't work. o_O

lolLamarck

I wonder what the OH limit is.
For me, a LL skip on a really good solve would maybe be like sub 7?
 
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Lamarc-ian evolution.
Giraffes don't grow longer necks because their parents stretched them reaching for things. The fittest ones survived (aka ones born with taller necks) so this trait lived on.

Cubing has nothing to do with survival rates really, so this doesn't work much.
 
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