Lofty and Dene's new technique, move count = wow

[Lucas Garron]

yea I did mean OLL and Okay so really no point in learning it.

Meh, there are some.

OLL is good because it's widely developed.
CLS is
1) an alternative.
2) 2-gen.

I went for 1 (don't become a Fridrich clone!), and got 2.

Really, movecount/speed/recognition, etc. just about cancel out.
OLL is not bad. If you want to do something different or like the option of "2-gen OLL," then use CLS. It's about that simple.

(Really, that amount of algs is not that bad.)

 

[dbeyer]

Last Slot + OLL (corners) is really a slow technique because you have to build the Last c/e block to insert, then insert it. It seems as though,

Cross + 3 c/e pairs then ELS, CLS, PLL would win 9/10 and that 1/10 would be when you get an R'FRF' insert pre-built c/e pair block, or a 2-gen (R/U) insertion with all edges oriented. After that a sune orientation.

Later,
DB

 

[Dene]

Yea exactly. An easy last slot would probably favour Fridrich, not so easy last slot would favour MGLS.

 

[pete]

Lucas,

you would be the right person to ask :

do you know how many cases are there to place corner of last slot
while permuting last layer edges (not worrying about LL corners at all) ?
at the moment I'm doing this in 2 steps.

this is under the assumption that I already have edge of last slot
placed and all LL edges orientated.

There are 7 OLL cases I learnt to orient LL corners (while preserving
LL edges) and 4 PLL cases to permute corners (when all LL edges are
already solved)

I'm asking this because I don't want to learn 100+ CLS cases.

cheers
Pete

 

[Lucas Garron]

Lucas,

you would be the right person to ask :

do you know how many cases are there to place corner of last slot
while permuting last layer edges (not worrying about LL corners at all) ?
at the moment I'm doing this in 2 steps.

this is under the assumption that I already have edge of last slot
placed and all LL edges orientated.

There are 7 OLL cases I learnt to orient LL corners (while preserving
LL edges) and 4 PLL cases to permute corners (when all LL edges are
already solved)

I'm asking this because I don't want to learn 100+ CLS cases.

cheers
Pete

Well,
Corner in slot: 2+3(+3m)
Corner on top: 12+12(+12m)

So, 29+mirrors/44 cases

But seriously, it doesn't feel like 104 cases. All except for 8 cases have mirrors (5 of those are OCLL). If you can mirror, it should not feel like 100 cases at all, because it isn't.

Also, a LOT of them are something like R R' R R' R R'. where each is U, U', or U2.
They might be harder to keep apart if you learn a lot at once, but all you really have to do is remember the U turns...
To mirror, you just change the directions...


Also, as I've noted before, more cases means you're getting more done per alg, which is actually good.
If you can hold enough algs for OLL in your head, you can surely hold CLS in your head.

 

[Lt-UnReaL]

Well... Its not an entirely new technique and you don't have it entirely right and me and Dene aren't doing it exactly the same...
I am doing as Petrus through 4a then put an edge in then CLS + PLL
Dene was going 2x2x3 to F2L minus one slot to full MGLS to PLL.
Move count= ~22 for F2L-minus a corner 9.5 for CLS and 12 for PLL so in actuality maybe just a few moves higher then you predicted.

How many moves to orient edges?

 

[pete]

Well,
Corner in slot: 2+3(+3m)
Corner on top: 12+12(+12m)
So, 29+mirrors/44 cases

thanks for that. that's still more than what i was hoping for

But seriously, it doesn't feel like 104 cases. All except for 8 cases have mirrors (5 of those are OCLL). If you can mirror, it should not feel like 100 cases at all, because it isn't.

I can mirror (I mean my brain can) but my left hand is useless - feels like dead
in comparison to my right hand. I could turn the cube around y-axis in order not to use my left hand for those 2-gen algs but then I wouldn't interpret it
as mirror - it would become a new algorithm to me.

cheers