BLD (3x3) help

[dillonbladez]

Should this be in BLD discussion? Because it says its for BLD dicussion and stuff, so I don't know if this question should go there.

So, i'm starting to get serious about learning 3x3 BLD. Right now, I'm following Badmeph's BLD tutorial. So, i'm learning Old Pochmann for just edges.

I've tried 2x2 BLD, but I can't do it all the time, since i kinda rush my set-up moves, so i can't ever re-do them :fp. Though this happens, I've had a couple of successes.

So, for my corners, I think i will do
-orient
-permute
For corner memo, i will associate each corner with a note (musical) so that, strung together, it will create an 8 note long song...thing. (90% of the time, it's probably going to sound horrible xD)
Do you think it's a good idea?

Now, my real problem is edge memo. I can't really use story method, because frankly, i'm not creative at all. Any tips for which memo method to choose for edges?

err, so now my last problem is which to do first; edges or corners?

So, thanks in advance

 

[riffz]

http://speedcubing.com/chris/memorizing.html

I personally use letter images for corners and letter pair words/sounds for edges.

I memorize corners first and solve them last since the images stay in memory longer than the sounds, but the sounds are a very fast way to memorize edges. I also have my own list of the words/sounds that I can send you if you'd like another list that is different from Hardwick's. (My images list is far from finished.)

 

[amostay2004]

Interesting corner memo, sounds like it could work nicely, though I think it's more suitable for Old Pochmann corners? How are you gonna separate orientation and permutation with the notes?

As for edges, a simple and fast way would be to label each edge sticker with a letter. You can just come up with random things to do with the letters to make you remember them eg. make a story, sound, expression, sentences, images, etc. ~12 letters wouldn't take too much effort to memo

 

[dillonbladez]

Interesting corner memo, sounds like it could work nicely, though I think it's more suitable for Old Pochmann corners? How are you gonna separate orientation and permutation with the notes?

As for edges, a simple and fast way would be to label each edge sticker with a letter. You can just come up with random things to do with the letters to make you remember them eg. make a story, sound, expression, sentences, images, etc. ~12 letters wouldn't take too much effort to memo

actually, 24 letters

for my corner memo, i orient first, like i learned in lance's 2x2 bld tutorial (really simple, really. just use corner twists) then after that, i permute with my 'notes' method
all edge memo methods seem the same to me

 

[cincyaviation]

well since this conveniently made thread appeared, i guess i'll post some questions in it too.
I currently use old pochmann for edges and corners, i use story method to memo edges (each sticker has a letter, each letter gets a word) and i'm trying to do the same for corners, but i don't think i can have 2 stories in my head without messing something up, it's fine for edges, but can anyone show me a better way to memo corners?

 

[riffz]

Interesting corner memo, sounds like it could work nicely, though I think it's more suitable for Old Pochmann corners? How are you gonna separate orientation and permutation with the notes?

Oh, right. I forgot he was orienting and then permuting. But the edges suggestion would still work.

And that memo method works well for Old Pochmann, R2, BH... pretty much anything that doesn't separate orientation and permutation.

 

[Zane_C]

well since this conveniently made thread appeared, i guess i'll post some questions in it too.
I currently use old pochmann for edges and corners, i use story method to memo edges (each sticker has a letter, each letter gets a word) and i'm trying to do the same for corners, but i don't think i can have 2 stories in my head without messing something up, it's fine for edges, but can anyone show me a better way to memo corners?

Try visual, at first it can be difficult but you should notice improvement pretty quickly.

 

[amostay2004]

Interesting corner memo, sounds like it could work nicely, though I think it's more suitable for Old Pochmann corners? How are you gonna separate orientation and permutation with the notes?

As for edges, a simple and fast way would be to label each edge sticker with a letter. You can just come up with random things to do with the letters to make you remember them eg. make a story, sound, expression, sentences, images, etc. ~12 letters wouldn't take too much effort to memo

actually, 24 letters

Hmm well I was talking about during a bld solve where you'll usually just need to memo 12-15 letters...but yea there will be a total of 24 stickers (though you wont need to label your buffer so that makes 22)

 

[riffz]

well since this conveniently made thread appeared, i guess i'll post some questions in it too.
I currently use old pochmann for edges and corners, i use story method to memo edges (each sticker has a letter, each letter gets a word) and i'm trying to do the same for corners, but i don't think i can have 2 stories in my head without messing something up, it's fine for edges, but can anyone show me a better way to memo corners?

Try pairing up letters and having a word for each pair. That way words don't get repeated nearly as often and the stories will be much more memorable.

 

[dillonbladez]

This probably won't apply to me (i'm not good enough yet ) but this could work.
So, this memo system is based entirely on music.
Edges would be memo-d with Intervals. +1 +2 +3 P4 P5 +6 +7 P8 -1 -2 -3 -6 -7 Aug1 Aug2 Aug3 Aug6 Aug7 Dim1 Dim2 Dim3 Dim6 Dim7.
Maybe some musical genious could try this?

Then my corners method (orient, then permute, memo permutation with notes.)

 

[cincyaviation]

well since this conveniently made thread appeared, i guess i'll post some questions in it too.
I currently use old pochmann for edges and corners, i use story method to memo edges (each sticker has a letter, each letter gets a word) and i'm trying to do the same for corners, but i don't think i can have 2 stories in my head without messing something up, it's fine for edges, but can anyone show me a better way to memo corners?

Try pairing up letters and having a word for each pair. That way words don't get repeated nearly as often and the stories will be much more memorable.

i'll try that, that might be good, because then i will probably only have 12-13 words at most

well since this conveniently made thread appeared, i guess i'll post some questions in it too.
I currently use old pochmann for edges and corners, i use story method to memo edges (each sticker has a letter, each letter gets a word) and i'm trying to do the same for corners, but i don't think i can have 2 stories in my head without messing something up, it's fine for edges, but can anyone show me a better way to memo corners?

Try visual, at first it can be difficult but you should notice improvement pretty quickly.

is there a specific way to do visual? it seems hard to remember all the corners just by looking at them a few times

 

[dillonbladez]

you could ride a roller coaster, or draw imaginary lines from piece to piece, from what i hear.

 

[cincyaviation]

you could ride a roller coaster, or draw imaginary lines from piece to piece, from what i hear.

its hard to memo the orientation of the piece from that though

 

[dillonbladez]

er, yah. you could try my memo method

hey cincy, why not gimmie some tips xD

 

[cincyaviation]

er, yah. you could try my memo method

hey cincy, why not gimmie some tips xD

but i'm not musical
i suppose i could try 3OP, but old pochmann is so much simpler, going to do an Edges only BLD solve right now, back in a few (maybe more if i eat some mashmallows)

 

[dillonbladez]

give me some tips on edges xD
You don't exactly have to be musical. It can be compared to singing a song you listen to.you just need to know how to associate note names and the actual 'pitch' and vice versa

going to try corners only solve. (on 2x2 )

 

[cincyaviation]

just at a marsh mallow, then
GOT MY FIRST EDGES ONLY BLD SOLVE!
time: 6:31.62 (lol)
story was
injuries die good X-raying pot vying under people's mazdas at wyoming mountains
except i feel like i left something out in what i just wrote because i had to switch out the buffer twice
@dillon,
for edges, try to only have to remember at minnimum 1 thing per piece, memoing 2 colors on each piece is slow, you could also avoid memoing the first piece by looking at it right before you execute, and just remembering where it goes

 

[riffz]

I tried a similar musical technique before for corners (using a method that places pieces without orienting first).

I memorized the permutation of pieces visually and then memorized Do Re or Mi for whether the sticker was on U/D (do), L/R (re), or F/B (mi). If you actually hum the pitches it's quite easy to remember, but I didn't use it because I use short term memo for edges already and it interfered.

If you have any ear for music, a short tune such as C D E C E D C is very easy to hear in your heard and recall a short time later.

 

[dillonbladez]

just at a marsh mallow, then
GOT MY FIRST EDGES ONLY BLD SOLVE!
time: 6:31.62 (lol)
story was
injuries die good X-raying pot vying under people's mazdas at wyoming mountains
except i feel like i left something out in what i just wrote because i had to switch out the buffer twice
@dillon,
for edges, try to only have to remember at minnimum 1 thing per piece,........ Memoing 2 colors on each piece is slow, ................ you could also avoid memoing the first piece by looking at it right before you execute, and just remembering where it goes

1.Aren't you only supposed to memo one thing per edge? eg, B/R edge = brick
2. er, I'm doing old pochmann for edges too, and I don't think you use visual for memo
3. huh?

 

[cincyaviation]

just at a marsh mallow, then
GOT MY FIRST EDGES ONLY BLD SOLVE!
time: 6:31.62 (lol)
story was
injuries die good X-raying pot vying under people's mazdas at wyoming mountains
except i feel like i left something out in what i just wrote because i had to switch out the buffer twice
@dillon,
for edges, try to only have to remember at minnimum 1 thing per piece,........ Memoing 2 colors on each piece is slow, ................ you could also avoid memoing the first piece by looking at it right before you execute, and just remembering where it goes

1.Aren't you only supposed to memo one thing per edge? eg, B/R edge = brick
2. er, I'm doing old pochmann for edges too, and I don't think you use visual for memo
3. huh?

on whatever you execute first, you really don't have to memo the first piece, as its easy just to look at it right before you don the BLDfold and see where it goes, but if you are doing orientation/permutation that won't work
as for 1 and 2, meh