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New to Cubing... looking for the next step

Jukuren

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So i am pretty new to all of this... a typical time is between 50-70sec. I use the basic... make a cross... solve corner and edges... orientation of last layer edges perm last layer corners, orient corners, perm edges...

But now i am ready to take this little more serious and want to get my time down (way down) and fewer looks... so whats next from here? any advice on what to study and work on?
 

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Hmm, interesting order for last layer. I would try to go to 2look OLL and 2look PLL if I were you (in that order), very handy.
 

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I agree. 2Look OLL and PLL is the best way to go. And also, practice the steps you know. I can get sub 30 solves with beginners method on a Rubiks Brand cube. No need for those DIYS. (They help alot though.)
 

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You may find this video helpful. It provides a good overview of the steps you need to take to learn the Fridrich method and advice on how to do it.
 

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how to get faster

may be u should my attachment. It is quite helpful i hope. Personally, i am still learning the f2l step 3. :)
 

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CFOP? Roux? you forget ima noobie... im not down with the lingo :p

CFOP : Method for solving : Cross First 2 Layers OLL(orientation of the last layer) PLL (Permutation of the last layer) is the most known and used method with his variants.

Roux : Another method that consists of blockbuilding and M slices (M moves) algoritms to fix the rest of the cube. ( I THINK)
 

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Roux : Another method that consists of blockbuilding and M slices (M moves) algoritms to fix the rest of the cube. ( I THINK)

Roux: Builds two 1x2x3 blocks on the left and right sides of the cube intuitively, solves the corners, and then places the edges and centers with the M-slice, also intuitively.
 

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CFOP? Roux? you forget ima noobie... im not down with the lingo :p

CFOP : Method for solving : Cross First 2 Layers OLL(orientation of the last layer) PLL (Permutation of the last layer) is the most known and used method with his variants.

Basically, Fridrich = CFOP and when people say CFOP they are often referring to Fridrich. Fridrich is the most widely used speedsolving method and is the method with which the current world record was set using. (Those two facts may be related, so read into that what you will.)

Roux : Another method that consists of blockbuilding and M slices (M moves) algoritms to fix the rest of the cube. ( I THINK)
There are some very fast Roux solvers (Roux is the name of the creator) but it requires a very good understanding of block building and some skill with the M slice at the end. This means it can be quite tricky for a beginner to grasp, and it is very different from your beginners' method. A popular way to learn the Roux method is Waffle's Roux Tutorial.
A basic Roux solve consists of constructing a 1x2x3 block on the cube, then an opposite 1x2x3 block, orienting and positioning the four remaining corners (either in one step or two) -Note: This step requires 24 algs if you want to get serious, or 9 if you want to do it in 2 steps- and then using the M slice to solve the remaining edges.


Perhaps the third most popular (Not "third-most popular" but third "most popular"...if you see what I mean) speedsolving method is Petrus. Lars Petrus' method is another block building method, but the last layer is very similar (perhaps identical) to your current last layer. The method basically requires the user to create a 2x2x2 block, then extend that into a 2x2x3 block, orient the remaining edges and then extend the 2x2x3 block into a 2x3x3 block. This basically leaves you with the first two layers solved and a last layer with the edges already orientated. You could then go on to solve this step with your beginners method last layer, or use 2 Look OLL and then PLL. Whichever is easier/faster.


Personally, I believe you would be most comfortable with Fridrich (CFOP) as this method is probably the most similar to your beginners' method and you won't have to abandon all the algs you learnt for that. However, Roux and Petrus require fewer algs and are very interesting -and potentially fast, as well as underused- methods. Another advantage of these two methods is that they often lead the user to be colour neutral (ie, equally able to solve the cube from all sides, as opposed to "white on top" etc.) because the cuber looks to take advantage of cubies already randomly positioned next to each other after the scramble. I would strongly recommend that you end up learning them all at some point anyway, just out of general interest!

It's also worth noting that block building methods can be very helpful in Fewest Move Challenge (FMC) or alternately can be helpful in building an extended cross (X-Cross) in CFOP. There is, however, more easily accessible information on Fridrich, as it is the most widely used method.

(I hope I didn't go overkill on the info dump there...)
 
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Jiggy, good post, however I noticed a few things. It's very hard to say that Petrus is the 3rd most popular, most people would agree that it's the 2nd. It's hard to acturatly determine the popularity of methods.

Also, Roux CMLL takes 42 (40 + 2) algorithms, not 24.
 

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Hi Jukuren,

2 look oll and pll, like most ppl suggested, is a good option.

Also, if you want to speed up your times for the first 2 layers without learning full "fridrich" F2L, you might want to learn a keyhole method. It's a good and intuitive method, and a good way to speed up your first 2 layers without learning a lot of algorithms. I am pretty sure you should find info about keyhole if you search for it at google OR www.cubeguide.com.

Good luck!
 

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Hi Jukuren,

2 look oll and pll, like most ppl suggested, is a good option.

Also, if you want to speed up your times for the first 2 layers without learning full "fridrich" F2L, you might want to learn a keyhole method. It's a good and intuitive method, and a good way to speed up your first 2 layers without learning a lot of algorithms. I am pretty sure you should find info about keyhole if you search for it at google OR www.cubeguide.com.

Good luck!

thanks ^_^... yah my F2L game is really lame... ill have to look up that keyhole method cuz some of the other stuff i read doesnt seem to help me much... i mean i get it... i guess i just need to work at it more cuz i seem to spend more time thinkin then moving haha... damn you intuition or lack there of...

also... i rotate my wirst a lot... and take my hand off the cube to reposition (ie. cube rotations) more then i feel i should be... anyone got any awsome finger trick links?
 
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