Multiple-blindfolded

alexc said:
Update: Tried another multi for the weekly contest. Result was 1/2 :mad: The first cube was off by 4 misoriented edges, so it was close. I used visual for CO and CP. (I am going to start using R2 very soon for multi) I used letter pair images in a story for the edges. I am happy that memo was much faster than my first two attempts. My first two attempts memo took about 15 minutes with single letter images. My third attempt memo was about 7:30, (and I went slow so I wouldn't mess up :)) so a big improvement there. I think letter pairs are the reason I have improved. I will try again soon, and I will get it. ;)
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It sounds like your memo time is about like mine - I average around 4 minutes per cube on multi (well, a little more as there get to be more cubes, but the first couple run about 4 minutes each). I think R2 would really help - it would be so much easier to memorize without orientations. But unfortunately the fastest I've ever done a single cube R2 is about 7 minutes, and the fastest I've ever done freestyle 3-cycle is about 5:30, so it's still slower for me to go that way than it is for me to do orientation and permutation separate. I'm hoping I'll switch away from separate orientation steps for multi by summer or so - we'll see.
 
@Mike

I am going to use R2 for multi. I will still use 3 cycle for regular blind, but that might change later depending on how fast I can get at R2. To practice my new lettering system for the corners, I tried a solve with M2 and R2. Memo was about 4 minutes, so it wasn't terrible for a first time. (My usual memo with M2 and 3 cycle is 1-1:20) However, I think that once I get better at the lettering system and learn all my letter pair images I think that I can memorize M2/R2 just as fast or faster than just 3 cycle with M2.
 
That sounds great. I was going to go with freestyle/commutators for multiBLD, but I decided I'm just too slow still with it to be willing to take that much of a hit on time. I'm hoping I can work on it on the side, and maybe eventually switch when it's almost as fast as regular 3-cycle is for me now - like I said, maybe by summer. M2 is even worse than freestyle/commutators for me, and I've never bothered to learn the algorithms for R2, so I haven't even tried that. I'm okay with corner commutators, so I doubt I'll ever bother with R2. For multiBLD, the faster memorization with freestyle/commutators comes close to compensating for the slower solving time, but I'm still a couple of minutes faster per cube overall with 3-cycle at the moment.

It sounds like you'll probably get down to sub-2 memorization per cube pretty quickly - I'm going to be much slower than you soon, I can see. Oh well, I'm used to it - everyone else does the same thing to me. :)
 
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES! :D :D :D :D :) :) :) I completed my first multi bld!!!!!!!!!! I am so excited! :) The total time was probably somewhere between 12 and 14 minutes. Memo was about 7:30. I knew I had gotten it right even before I took off the blindfold. ;) :) I didn't use R2 for this because I haven't learned algs for URF and DBR. I will try three for the weekly contest next week, hopefully using R2. Oh, also, I tried a regular blindfolded solve with M2/R2 yesterday. Memo was about 2 minutes. The total time was 4:33.xx and of course I got it right. ;)
 
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I've just started using M2 instead of 3cycle so that I can get faster and get easier memo. M2 is really nice. R2 on the other hand, not so nice. TuRBo is too much for me right now and old Pochmann is too many moves, so I think I'll stick with 3 cycle for corners, and orient seperatly.

Anyway, I've also started using a real memo system now. A person action kind of thing. Works great since it's easy to keep track of M slice. There's only one problem: I allways know wich person is doing what but I sometime mess upp the order they are doing things is. I don't know how to link my memo from one person to the second. That's what I do for edges.

I don't know what to do for corners tough. I'd like to create 56 memo objects so that I can store two corners with just one bit of information. But I don't wanna use the same objects as for edges, that would just confuse me. But the thing is that I used "logic" to create my object for edges, eg. FL=Fly. But how the do you do that with UBL, DFR and so on? I don't wanna have to memorize 56 objects....

Hah, not that many questions, but I got to put my toughts in writing. :P
 
@KConny

Why do you think R2 is not as good as M2? The R slice corner algs are a bit long and need to be learned well, but it is basically still the same principles as M2. I'm actually thinking about using A perms for the R slice corners, but DFR is a bad buffer to do that.

As for the memo, I think that letter pair images are the way to go. It is a big system, but it has a whole variety of images that keep your stories/journey/roman rooms very unique and separate from each other. You also don't have to use the same images again and again. Occasionally you might have the same letter pair, but it is a small chance (1/500 or something) and it isn't that big of a deal.
 
alexc said:
tim said:
alexc said:
You also don't have to use the same images again and again.
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That's a drawback. You don't train your images as good as with a one-image-per-piece method.
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Perhaps that's true. Do you use the same images again and again? Or do you have 3 or so images per piece, so you only start reusing by the 4th cube?
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Just one image per piece. There's no reason for using more than one image per piece, except you use stories to memorize your images.
 
tim said:
alexc said:
tim said:
alexc said:
You also don't have to use the same images again and again.
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That's a drawback. You don't train your images as good as with a one-image-per-piece method.
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Perhaps that's true. Do you use the same images again and again? Or do you have 3 or so images per piece, so you only start reusing by the 4th cube?
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Just one image per piece. There's no reason for using more than one image per piece, except you use stories to memorize your images.
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Well, I probably will use stories, so are you saying one image per piece is bad for stories or good for them? You use the journey method, right?
 
alexc said:
tim said:
Bad for stories, because you can easily get similar story parts,
good/doesn't matter for journeys
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True, I guess it doesn't matter for journeys. But Dennis uses 1 piece images and he is one of the best. He uses stories, though.
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Yeah, but he uses more than one image per piece. I think he said about 3 or 4 images per piece.
 
Yes, thats true!
i have more than 5 pieces for an edge and for a corner.
but i also invent new images while memorizing.

Greetings...Dennis:)
 
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