I completely forgot what day it was on April 1st

[Pestvic]

Just remember a lot of you guys have better 6x6s because of him, rite? But if he wants to quit why is it such a big deal? I cube but he doesn't interfere with me and my cubing. I am a little annoyed by him because I suspect he has brought a lot of noobs into the community but I think we've probably all been a little too harsh, myself included. But one thing you have to realize is he deserves his subscribers more than the vast majority of this forum do because he created a good mod. So I think we should lay off the comments.

I just have to say I'm tired of this phrase. Just about everyone was a "noob" brought into the community by someone else. And alot of those "noobs" turned out to be outstanding members.

well said. very true. they need to loose the egos huh?

 

[Pestvic]

what a bunch of egotistic childish people the "fast" cubers were.

Even people who average like 35 seconds bash people who are slower >_>

I think you got that the wrong way. I think the actual fast cubers are *less* likely to show animosity towards slower ones. Less than the "medium" cubers, I mean. In a sense, I'd roughly say from 50 to 20 seconds is the adolescence of cubing, not just speed-wise but also behavior-wise (though it's just a rule of thumb, other factors like age and time spent in forums also play a role).

One more thing I'd like to point out: Pi himself didn't announce it here, someone else did. So people stating they don't care, I take that as criticism not of Pi but of taking his video to the forum. Had Pi posted it here, that indeed would've made him a bit of a drama queen or attention seeker (or good prankster, in case it's a joke), but posting on his channel to inform the many people whose attention he already has, that's perfectly reasonable.

well yeah stefan you are right. i did meet lots of sub 20 cubers who were awesome at some comps. i agree. so thats why i directed my rant to the "haters" reguardless of speed.

but anyway thanks for your response. BTW thanks for doing that FAC video intro haha it was awesome hanging out with you

 

[Ethan Rosen]

@pestvic
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take this man

LOL Ditto. Send this to every ignorant Hate comment posted about "slower" and quitting cubers...

I think you're misunderstanding the situation here. I don't think anyone dislikes MMAP because he's slow. I think that people just dislike his personality.

I think you're misunderstanding my post here. i included talking about his "voice" which is, im sure the "personality people are talking about

I wasn't quite referring to that. I'll be completely honest here, based on what I've seen in his videos, I don't think we'd get along well if we went to the same school or something. It isn't his voice, it's really the entire package.

Because he's the dorky misfit and you're so cool?

Pretty much, yeah

 

[Pestvic]

@pestvic
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take this man

LOL Ditto. Send this to every ignorant Hate comment posted about "slower" and quitting cubers...

I think you're misunderstanding the situation here. I don't think anyone dislikes MMAP because he's slow. I think that people just dislike his personality.

I think you're misunderstanding my post here. i included talking about his "voice" which is, im sure the "personality people are talking about

I wasn't quite referring to that. I'll be completely honest here, based on what I've seen in his videos, I don't think we'd get along well if we went to the same school or something. It isn't his voice, it's really the entire package.

Because he's the dorky misfit and you're so cool?

Pretty much, yeah

lol

 

[DavidWoner]

I think he is referring to the consistent posts bashing slow cubers on this forum, who they are from and why are unknown to me. But I do see a lot of posts who bash slower people. Even people who average like 35 seconds bash people who are slower >_>

People say this a lot. I don't see this, probably because I no longer read speedcubing questions. My requests for links to examples of these posts are ignored. So unless you can provide evidence of these "consistent posts bashing slow cubers" people need to stop making this argument.

Also if anyone does see this happening, use the god damn report button. It's there for a reason.

 

[Pestvic]

I think he is referring to the consistent posts bashing slow cubers on this forum, who they are from and why are unknown to me. But I do see a lot of posts who bash slower people. Even people who average like 35 seconds bash people who are slower >_>

People say this a lot. I don't see this, probably because I no longer read speedcubing questions. My requests for links to examples of these posts are ignored. So unless you can provide evidence of these "consistent posts bashing slow cubers" people need to stop making this argument.

Also if anyone does see this happening, use the god damn report button. It's there for a reason.

i think hes refering to all the posts people made about slow cuber bashing on his quiting thread or whatever.. i dont know i didnt read it after the first couple posts

 

[qqwref]

As far as I can tell, here's how things work.
Start: you have three groups of cubers, people who are actually good, people who aren't but still try, and noobs (people who act in a way that never gets any respect, such as having no concept of spelling/grammar, demanding tutorials and the like, etc.).

1) People who are good get a lot of questions, and a lot of questions from noobs. Eventually they get really annoyed.
2) Progressively, good people start being more abrasive on the forums, because of (1) or because other people are doing it. Sometimes good people are just trying to get noobs to think about or Google things before directly asking good people questions.
3) Cubers who aren't good start being mean on the forums, but they don't understand the reason behind it, so they ruin the forum. Maybe they want to fit in? (Being mean to newbies over a single small mistake falls under this category.)
4) Good people get even more angry because there used to be a good community and now there isn't.
5) ????
6) VICIOUS CYCLE

 

[Edmund]

Just remember a lot of you guys have better 6x6s because of him, rite? But if he wants to quit why is it such a big deal? I cube but he doesn't interfere with me and my cubing. I am a little annoyed by him because I suspect he has brought a lot of noobs into the community but I think we've probably all been a little too harsh, myself included. But one thing you have to realize is he deserves his subscribers more than the vast majority of this forum do because he created a good mod. So I think we should lay off the comments.

I just have to say I'm tired of this phrase. Just about everyone was a "noob" brought into the community by someone else. And alot of those "noobs" turned out to be outstanding members.

They don't have to join the forums as soon as they can solve a cube.

 

[qqwref]

I just have to say I'm tired of this phrase. Just about everyone was a "noob" brought into the community by someone else. And alot of those "noobs" turned out to be outstanding members.

Nobody understands what a "noob" is, hm? It doesn't mean someone who's new. It's someone who is consistently rude, who makes incomprehensible posts, who makes very dumb short posts in debate topics, who bumps years-old topics with a few words, and so on. It's possible to change and become a productive member of the community, but it's not easy, and few noobs will be able to put in the required amount of effort. Fortunately not everyone starts out this way.

 

[Stefan]

3) Cubers who aren't good start being mean on the forums, but they don't understand the reason behind it, so they ruin the forum. Maybe they want to fit in?

That's what I just thought about, too. Examples I thought of:

- Noob1 annoyingly bumps an old thread for no good reason and gets reprimanded for it.
- Noob2 sees that and thinks *all* bumps are bad and starts reprimanding others even for fully justified *good* bumps.

- Noob1 annoyingly double-posts for no good reason and gets reprimanded for it.
- Noob2 sees that and thinks *all* double-posts are bad and starts reprimanding others even for fully justified *good* double-posts.

- Noob is playing games with others where quick communication is essential and where typos or terms like "ur" are thus reasonable (better type "ur" and barely dodge the missile than type "your" and get killed).
- Noob then thinks that it is ok to write like that everywhere, even where he has all the time in the world and where the disadvantages of typos for others outweigh his advantages, like on discussion forums or video comments.

So yeah, I think the problem is exactly like you said: They don't understand the differences between situations and they want to fit in, so they just copy behavior without thinking for themselves and do it all wrong.

 

[miniGOINGS]

Stefan. Everything finally makes sense.

 

[Cyrus C.]

Monkey see, monkey does exaggerated & inappropriately.

 

[shelley]

I think he is referring to the consistent posts bashing slow cubers on this forum, who they are from and why are unknown to me. But I do see a lot of posts who bash slower people. Even people who average like 35 seconds bash people who are slower >_>

People say this a lot. I don't see this, probably because I no longer read speedcubing questions. My requests for links to examples of these posts are ignored. So unless you can provide evidence of these "consistent posts bashing slow cubers" people need to stop making this argument.

Also if anyone does see this happening, use the god damn report button. It's there for a reason.

i think hes refering to all the posts people made about slow cuber bashing on his quiting thread or whatever.. i dont know i didnt read it after the first couple posts

If you don't know why are you bringing it up? On the Monkeydude quitting thread I don't remember slow cuber bashing. I remember people flaming Monkeydude for attention seeking behavior like making that video (if someone's alleged motivation for quitting cubing was not making Youtube partnership, well, draw your own conclusions) and bashing the thread creator for thinking that the forum as a whole should care so much about the topic that it needed a thread written in ALL CAPS. That is classic noob behavior. That was what we were bashing. It wasn't about people being slow.

I never judge a cuber by how quickly or slowly they can solve a silly toy. The only legitimate reason for bashing slow cubers is if they claim much faster times than they are actually capable of. In that case it's well deserved.

 

[Logan]

If you don't know why are you bringing it up? On the Monkeydude quitting thread I don't remember slow cuber bashing. I remember people flaming Monkeydude for attention seeking behavior like making that video (if someone's alleged motivation for quitting cubing was not making Youtube partnership, well, draw your own conclusions) and bashing the thread creator for thinking that the forum as a whole should care so much about the topic that it needed a thread written in ALL CAPS. That is classic noob behavior. That was what we were bashing. It wasn't about people being slow.

I never judge a cuber by how quickly or slowly they can solve a silly toy. The only legitimate reason for bashing slow cubers is if they claim much faster times than they are actually capable of. In that case it's well deserved.

I guess I'm going to be an example forever now huh? But you've got to admit I improved a lot after that little..err... incident.

 

[miniGOINGS]

I guess I'm going to be an example forever now huh? But you've got to admit I improved a lot after that little..err... incident.

CHOP CHOP CHOP!!!

That's how it's done.

 

[rowehessler]

bicycle

 

[Edmund]

Thread name change haha

 

[Pestvic]

I think he is referring to the consistent posts bashing slow cubers on this forum, who they are from and why are unknown to me. But I do see a lot of posts who bash slower people. Even people who average like 35 seconds bash people who are slower >_>

People say this a lot. I don't see this, probably because I no longer read speedcubing questions. My requests for links to examples of these posts are ignored. So unless you can provide evidence of these "consistent posts bashing slow cubers" people need to stop making this argument.

Also if anyone does see this happening, use the god damn report button. It's there for a reason.

i think hes refering to all the posts people made about slow cuber bashing on his quiting thread or whatever.. i dont know i didnt read it after the first couple posts

If you don't know why are you bringing it up? On the Monkeydude quitting thread I don't remember slow cuber bashing. I remember people flaming Monkeydude for attention seeking behavior like making that video (if someone's alleged motivation for quitting cubing was not making Youtube partnership, well, draw your own conclusions) and bashing the thread creator for thinking that the forum as a whole should care so much about the topic that it needed a thread written in ALL CAPS. That is classic noob behavior. That was what we were bashing. It wasn't about people being slow.

I never judge a cuber by how quickly or slowly they can solve a silly toy. The only legitimate reason for bashing slow cubers is if they claim much faster times than they are actually capable of. In that case it's well deserved.

Shelly I did ended up reading it. If you look back at that forum, there are posts that are similar to "who cares what his videos say, hes slow" and "reviews for cubes don't matter if the person is slow" Its like saying if you aren't fast you aren't worth anything to the community via, videos, posts, reviews, etc. that's what i meant, and what i was talking about. Not only that forum. Lots more I've seen, and lots about the Five Awesome Cubers Channel.

"I never judge a cuber by how quickly or slowly they can solve a silly toy. The only legitimate reason for bashing slow cubers is if they claim much faster times than they are actually capable of. In that case it's well deserved." <-- see this is acceptable and respectable. you don't judge or bash unless they deserve it. Which I completely agree with. This is what I like to see, not pointless bashing I see everywhere.

 

[StachuK1992]

bicycle

here here.

Also, to everyone:
Really?

 

[Pestvic]

bicycle

LOL I love your attitude... that's how I should be also... why the hell did I care so much... lol

bleh. Anyway, whatever.