Cubing High on Marijuana

[blade740]

dunpeal2064: I want to see the studies that show that THC doesn't have any effect.
Whether you like it or not, in many cases the use of marijuana does lead to harder drugs. This is just one example of where THC would indirectly have an effect. You might say "well that doesn't happen to many people", but I mean let's be honest you're just blinding yourself if you think that. The amount of homeless people I saw when I was in America was astounding. The only explanation I got when I asked people "why?" was drugs.

The use of marijuana does not "lead to harder drugs" Correlation doesn't imply causation, etc. Marijuana is the first drug used by many who become harder drug users, but I'd say that's because it's less harmful and easier to obtain. And you never hear about how alcohol leads to marijuana use, though I bet in most cases the person tries alcohol first.

Also, I guarantee almost none of those people homeless due to drug use will blame it on marijuana. Crack, Heroin, Methamphetamine, sure. I've never heard of someone homeless because of marijuana use.

 

[beingforitself]

I find it funny how many people are like "smoking and drinking alcohol are so much worse, therefore THC is ok". This clearly doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

"paedophilia and child abuse are so bad, therefore murder is ok".

Yea that totally makes sense.

I don't know about you, but I would rather have been abused as a child than murdered as a child.

 

[qqwref]

I personally believe that weed is a gateway drug is because when we are being raised, weed is lumped into the group of "illegal drugs" along with things like heroin, meth, coke, etc. So when someone finally decides to try it, and discovers that not only is it not that big of a deal, but actually fun, they get curious about other drugs. This would explain why alcohol doesn't gateway into hardcore drugs nearly as often.

Much agreed. I know many people use caffeine to the point of being mildly addicted to it (myself included) but I've never heard of anyone going "caffeine's pretty cool, so now I will try coke/heroin/meth"... The 'gateway drug' phenomenon does seem to me to be, as you said, a result of people thinking drug laws are just the government being dumb ('hey, I tried pot, and I'm fine') rather than trying to make sure people are safe. If pot was legal, I'm sure we'd still have some have people going "this is cool but I need MORE" and abusing it or turning to harder stuff - but this isn't the fault of the drug because the same things happen with food, sex, exercise, money, etc.

It would be interesting to actually do a controlled study to see if whether a relatively safe substance is illegal affects how likely someone is to eventually start using unsafe illegal substances. I imagine the government would not be very keen on this idea.

 

[Dene]

If pot was legal, I'm sure we'd still have some have people going "this is cool but I need MORE" and abusing it or turning to harder stuff - but this isn't the fault of the drug because the same things happen with food, sex, exercise, money, etc.

The fault may not be with the drug, but excess in food/sex/exercise/money do not lead to psycho P addicts going around with guns (this happened recently in NZ so don't try to say it doesn't).

 

[Kirjava]

If pot was legal, I'm sure we'd still have some have people going "this is cool but I need MORE" and abusing it or turning to harder stuff - but this isn't the fault of the drug because the same things happen with food, sex, exercise, money, etc.

The fault may not be with the drug, but excess in food/sex/exercise/money do not lead to psycho P addicts going around with guns (this happened recently in NZ so don't try to say it doesn't).

Correlation doesn't imply causation.

 

[Dene]

So what you're saying is that you do not believe that there are any cases where someone started smoking Marijuana, and it lead to them taking harder drugs which in effect ruined their lives? Furthermore, by making it legal to smoke Marijuana, you do not think that the instances of this occurring would be amplified even more?


I am aware of the fact that correlation does not in fact have any bearing on causality, but until you can suggest a more likely cause, I would suggest you take your empty arguments elsewhere.

 

[Kirjava]

So what you're saying is that you do not believe that there are any cases where someone started smoking Marijuana, and it lead to them taking harder drugs which in effect ruined their lives? Furthermore, by making it legal to smoke Marijuana, you do not think that the instances of this occurring would be amplified even more?

I never stated anything like this. I was reffering to you talking about "psycho P addicts going around with guns". Be less confused.

I am aware of the fact that correlation does not in fact have any bearing on causality, but until you can suggest a more likely cause, I would suggest you take your empty arguments elsewhere.

Maybe they're just nutcases. That'd make more sense than simply looking at chemicals they ingest.

Pointing out flaws in thinking does not an empty argument make.

 

[Athefre]

Weed sure does make you lazy though. Weed is a desire, and if you don't go into an unproductive desire with a productive desire in mind that is equal to, or stronger than, the unproductive desire, you will be stuck in the unproductive desire until you find another craving (productive or unproductive) that overcomes. An example. When I first started cubing, I was so obsessed with it that I got very lazy about my schoolwork and my grades dropped. But, when I was in a subject class that I loved, cubing had no effect because I wanted to focus on my work. Kirjava seems to know the limits, he seems to have a love for learning.

Moderation.

 

[blade740]

So what you're saying is that you do not believe that there are any cases where someone started smoking Marijuana, and it lead to them taking harder drugs which in effect ruined their lives? Furthermore, by making it legal to smoke Marijuana, you do not think that the instances of this occurring would be amplified even more?

Like qq suggested, I think the correlation is caused by marijuana prohibition, not marijuana itself. Once people find out that the government lied to them, that marijuana isn't nearly as dangerous as it's made out to be, they begin to wonder if the government lied about everything else too. Plus, because it's illegal, marijuana users already have access to a drug dealer. Often drug dealers sell more than one type of drug, and what business DOESN'T try to upsell their customers to the more expensive product?

 

[Stini]

It's not that difficult to google and do research yourself instead of telling what you think is the truth. I sure was suspicious at first when I heard people defending the use of cannabis, but after reading a bit I found out that many common arguments are actually invalid. For example this page seem to have fairly good list of common myths: http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

Sure if you find opposing arguments more convincing, that's fine, but at least do some research first before telling your great theories about marijuana leading to hard drugs when it has been already proven wrong.

Also I don't want to encourage people to use weed or any other psychoactive drugs (illegal nor legal), but I do encourage people to do some critical thinking and stop being so ignorant.

 

[jms_gears1]

Someone should close this thread.

Why?
Its a very interesting topic is it not?
So far i think everyone has been more discussing, versus arguing.
Sure there are spats of arguments here or there but i mean, Dene is roaming around.
xP.

 

[Muesli]

He's trolling. It's something he doesn't agree with, therefore it is wrong.

 

[iasimp1997]

He's trolling. It's something he doesn't agree with, therefore it is wrong.

No, it's just all see ahead is pointless debating. That's my personal opinion and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Kirjava]

No, it's just all see ahead is pointless debating. That's my personal opinion and there is nothing wrong with that.

All people want to do is just have a nice debate, it's their opinions and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[iasimp1997]

No, it's just all see ahead is pointless debating. That's my personal opinion and there is nothing wrong with that.

All people want to do is just have a nice debate, it's their opinions and there's nothing wrong with that.

w/e nvm

 

[Athefre]

Cracker just got told.

 

[endless_akatsuki]

Cracker just got told.

lmao.
that's kinda bad, though....just saying...

 

[Dene]

So what you're saying is that you do not believe that there are any cases where someone started smoking Marijuana, and it lead to them taking harder drugs which in effect ruined their lives? Furthermore, by making it legal to smoke Marijuana, you do not think that the instances of this occurring would be amplified even more?

I never stated anything like this. I was reffering to you talking about "psycho P addicts going around with guns". Be less confused.

When I was talking about a psycho P addict going around with a gun, I was implying that it was very likely that the person in question started with a drug like marijuana, then thought they would try harder drugs and got hooked and then went crazy because of it. (btw, I'm referring to a semi-recent case that actually happened in NZ, although I don't know the details of the criminal's past).

Like qq suggested, I think the correlation is caused by marijuana prohibition, not marijuana itself. Once people find out that the government lied to them, that marijuana isn't nearly as dangerous as it's made out to be, they begin to wonder if the government lied about everything else too. Plus, because it's illegal, marijuana users already have access to a drug dealer. Often drug dealers sell more than one type of drug, and what business DOESN'T try to upsell their customers to the more expensive product?

I agree that I think this idea has a lot of bearing. However I don't think the legalisation of marijuana is going help. I would say that those who would be inclined to getting into harder drugs would do so, legal or not. At least with marijuana illegal, there is another barrier (and quite possible the hardest one, namely, getting started) to prevent these people from messing up their lives.

The way I see it, any kind of chemical-inbalancer is harmful in the sense that those who enjoy such things are at risk of wanting to try more (just like, as a person who enjoys skating in hockey skates, I also wanted to try figure and speed skates). And what are the options? Harder drugs.

 

[kunz]

Like qq suggested, I think the correlation is caused by marijuana prohibition, not marijuana itself. Once people find out that the government lied to them, that marijuana isn't nearly as dangerous as it's made out to be, they begin to wonder if the government lied about everything else too. Plus, because it's illegal, marijuana users already have access to a drug dealer. Often drug dealers sell more than one type of drug, and what business DOESN'T try to upsell their customers to the more expensive product?

I agree that I think this idea has a lot of bearing. However I don't think the legalisation of marijuana is going help. I would say that those who would be inclined to getting into harder drugs would do so, legal or not. At least with marijuana illegal, there is another barrier (and quite possible the hardest one, namely, getting started) to prevent these people from messing up their lives.

The way I see it, any kind of chemical-inbalancer is harmful in the sense that those who enjoy such things are at risk of wanting to try more (just like, as a person who enjoys skating in hockey skates, I also wanted to try figure and speed skates). And what are the options? Harder drugs.[/QUOTE](sorry i screwed up thats from dene)

i know people who do marijuana but never smoked cigarettes so to say its a barrier isn't (from my experience) correct, but people who are willing to do things like heroin cocaine etc. aren't going to be stopped by any law

but as for the question i personally have never smoked weed (or anything for that matter) but weed is a stimulant so moving quicker could either make you move faster or make it harder to concentrate/ hold on to the cube

 

[blade740]

I agree that I think this idea has a lot of bearing. However I don't think the legalisation of marijuana is going help. I would say that those who would be inclined to getting into harder drugs would do so, legal or not. At least with marijuana illegal, there is another barrier (and quite possible the hardest one, namely, getting started) to prevent these people from messing up their lives.

The way I see it, any kind of chemical-inbalancer is harmful in the sense that those who enjoy such things are at risk of wanting to try more (just like, as a person who enjoys skating in hockey skates, I also wanted to try figure and speed skates). And what are the options? Harder drugs.

Drugs aren't the only thing that change chemical balance. Exercise (like skating) increases adrenaline, cubing causes your brain to release endorphins. Hell, eating vitamins changes your body's chemical balance. What's the difference between eating something that tastes good and smoking something that makes you feel good? If it doesn't harm me any more than the food I eat, why shouldn't I smoke? lift+ is a drug.