How do you analyze+memorize?

How do you analyze+memorize?

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I'm wondering about an aspect of blindsolving, of how people analyze to memorize. Do you analyze+memorize...

  • Along cycles? For example you start at place UF, see the RB piece there so you look at place RB next, see the DL piece there so you look at place DL next, etc.
  • Statically? For example you memorize what pieces are at places UF, UL, UB, UR, etc (fixed order), ignoring the actual cycle structure of the scramble.
  • Another way?
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Haiyan and Ville both memo with cycles in about 10 seconds....not sure how static is gonna beat that.
 
Yeah, I also think it's harder. But also that it might allow faster memorization. The analysis for what to do next could be done while executing the current step. I'm not fast and I don't know how the fast guys are doing it, I saw Ville report a memorization in 6 seconds of a 3x3x3 with no pieces in place and it baffles me. And in the last two days I've heard twice about static memo, so I began to wonder.
 
I've wondered about this, too. Rather, I've considered static (by permutation?).

Also, how about "By algs"?
I memo visual, but I sometimes get a strong sense of the algs I use while memoing.
 
Lucas Garron said:
Also, how about "By algs"?
I memo visual, but I sometimes get a strong sense of the algs I use while memoing.
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Ah, yeah, I guess I was a bit unclear. This is rather about the analysis than about the memorization, here I don't care about how one memorizes (visual, story, letters, algs, whatever). But I think the poll options make it clear what is meant.
 
Isn't it true that Richard Carr memorized statically, years ago? I remember Chris Hardwick talking about one of the early World Championships, and how the new thing was memorizing in cycles - apparently everyone had been memorizing statically before then.

Now I know there's some talk about going back to static memorization. Chris had a nice idea he formed with Richard Patterson about doing static memorization on centers of big cubes. I think there's some real promise in that idea. But only for centers.

I have to admit that I agree with LewisJ - I seriously doubt anyone is going to beat cycles on a 3x3x3, considering we've already established you can memorize that way in 10 seconds or less. (And I doubt we've even hit the limit yet!)
 
Mike Hughey said:
Isn't it true that Richard Carr memorized statically, years ago?
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Yeah, he's actually one of the above-mentioned two guys from which I've heard that in the last two days. Hmm... I think I might've done it, too, in my first one or two solves, using Richard's method for the 2x2x2. But I made up my own stuff early on and don't remember much of what I did in the beginning.
 
StefanPochmann said:
Lucas Garron said:
Also, how about "By algs"?
I memo visual, but I sometimes get a strong sense of the algs I use while memoing.
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Ah, yeah, I guess I was a bit unclear. This is rather about the analysis than about the memorization, here I don't care about how one memorizes (visual, story, letters, algs, whatever). But I think the poll options make it clear what is meant.
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Okay, how about "by tracing"? :p
 
Mike Hughey said:
Now I know there's some talk about going back to static memorization. Chris had a nice idea he formed with Richard Patterson about doing static memorization on centers of big cubes. I think there's some real promise in that idea. But only for centers.
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To be clear, I had nothing to do with the invention of this idea. Richard Patterson is the one who is trying to make this a viable method. I am only there as support for Richard to bounce ideas off of, and eventually to test the method.

Richard is best described as my cubing coach :) He is the theorist, I just try out the stuff he tells me to try out.

Chris
 
I use cycles:

OFF - TOPIC

I am trying this new thing where I permute first and Orient later but only for Corners. I just tried it randomly and it dropped 10 seconds off my solves because now when I start I straight away do the corner Cycles and also memorization is easier because I remember the Corner Orientations in two groups, in the first group are those that need to be rotated clockwise and in the second ccw.
 
cmhardw said:
To be clear, I had nothing to do with the invention of this idea. Richard Patterson is the one who is trying to make this a viable method. I am only there as support for Richard to bounce ideas off of, and eventually to test the method.
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Can you tell us more about this method ? Center memo is just horrible for me, so I guess I have to try another way to do it.
 
deadalnix said:
cmhardw said:
To be clear, I had nothing to do with the invention of this idea. Richard Patterson is the one who is trying to make this a viable method. I am only there as support for Richard to bounce ideas off of, and eventually to test the method.
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Can you tell us more about this method ? Center memo is just horrible for me, so I guess I have to try another way to do it.
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Honestly, as much as I would like to discuss the method, I would rather let Richard bring it up here. Either that or maybe if he OK'd me talking about it I can bring it up. I don't want to steal Richard's thunder if he is close to something very nice, and I also don't want to let the cat out of the bag if Richard would prefer for now to keep it secret.

I will tell you that one of his methods is a static memorization method, but it currently lacks a good solving approach.

Chris
 
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