new blindfolds

hmmm... has cheating ever happened in any bld event or has anyone ever been caught? is it possible that cheating actually exists? i don't think anyone can cheat unless he puts the cube directly under his chin. it's hard you know. although, i like your ideas but they look a little bit eeky especially the towel. the audience might find them funny and weird. i like the table most, i think it's comfortable enough. i think one solution is to specify a certain angle between the eyes and the cube so that peeking is not possible - either the BLDist will lower his head or raise the cube. Or maybe, the judge may constantly hold a sheet of paper under the chin (although it's quite tiring).
 
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I have been tossing around a few ideas that would solve this problem effectively:

Solution A: First competitors are allowed to inspect the cube in a normal fashion. Then, upon command, the judge covers each of the competitors left and right eyes with his respective hands. Before the solve is completed the judge may ask the question: "guess who?" to which the competitor must reply: (First + last name of judge). Unfortunately, this solution requires additional memorization of the judge's name; memory methods may be applied. If BLD is after lunch, hands may smell like pizza.

On second thought, this solution would not prevent cheating on cubers with x-ray vision.

Solution B: First competitors are allowed to inspect the cube in a normal fashion. When inspection is completed, the judge spray paints the Rubik's cube black with a lead based paint.

Pros:Almost impossible to cheat.
Cons: Messy, inhaling paint vapors may affect memorization.

Solution C: All of the previous solutions relied on interrupting the photon path between the cube and the cubers eyes, so I decided to think out side of the cube.;)......First competitors are allowed to inspect the cube in a normal fashion. When inspection is completed, a plastic surgeon will surgically remove both of the competitors eyes. The solve is preformed eyeless until the stackmat is stopped. This method has the advantage of being virtually impossible to cheat, but there are always ways...

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Ok, here's another idea. (If its already been said, sorry, I haven't read all the posts.)

On the table, in front of the competitor is a wooden box, about 1x1x1 feet large. On the sides of the box are two holes, large enough to fit a 3x3 to 5x5 cube through along with competitor's hands. The front of the box has a window so the audience can still see the cube. The competitor still wheres a blindfold to be extra safe. The competitor inspects, puts his hands and the cube through the holes in the box, and solves the cube inside the box.

That's just an idea. I think the goggles are the most practical actually.
 
Okay, here are several more ideas I had:

1) The judge has another 3x3 with gray stickers only. When the competitor is done memorizing he trades cubes with the judge, and solves it. The judge should watch very carefully to see what the competitor is doing, and do the exact same turns on his (real) cube, but be careful to keep the cube he is using out of the competitor's field of vision. The solve is successful if the judge's cube is solved when the timer is stopped. Cheating should be impossible if the judge is competent (of course we assume the judges are trustworthy).

2) During the round, the competition organizers project something interesting onto the ceiling (such as a compilation of sub-10 3x3x3 solves). Each competitor who solves blindfolded will be required to stare at the ceiling throughout the solve. The judge makes sure that they do not look downwards in any way. Cheating is only possible if the competitor has excellent peripheral vision.

3) The competitor can use a normal blindfold, but after the solve the competitor must tell the judge (without looking at the cube) what cycles were necessary to solve the cube. If the judge cannot verify that these cycles will in fact solve the cube, or the competitor does not remember the cycles, the competitor is considered to have cheated and the solve is a DNF. Cheating would be difficult because the competitor would still have to remember the blindfold cycles when the solve is finished, so that someone who is incapable of a normal blindfold solve would not be able to get a decent time by cheating.

4) Before the round, the competitors should prepare a few clean black plastic bags (such as garbage bags), preferably with a few small holes in them. Instead of a blindfold, competitors place these bags over their heads, and loosely tie them at the neck to make sure they cannot see out. If a competitor becomes unconscious during a solve that solve is considered to be a DNF. Here cheating is only possible if the holes are too big (assuming there are holes at all).

5) Instead of physical cubes, competitors solve virtual reality cubes. Once a competitor has donned the virtual reality helmet and gloves, they may begin the solve by starting to look at the cube. As soon as they indicate they are ready to start the solve, the cube's stickers all turn grey in the virtual reality simulation (like on the Ryan Heise blindfold applet), and they must then solve it and stop the timer without knowing what any of the stickers are. I don't think there is any way to cheat with this method.

6) Regulations require all competitors to bring a clone of themselves to the competition, but the clone may not know how to solve the cube. When the competitor has finished memorizing, the competitor hands the cube to the clone, and they stand back to back. The competitor then tells the clone what turns to make to solve the cube, and the solve is completed if the clone's cube is solved when the timer is stopped. Ideally the clone should be blindfolded, and also not allowed to talk. Cheating is only possible if the clone can in fact solve a cube, but this should be easy to detect.

7) Before the blindfolded round, all competitors are made to sign a legally binding contract which states that they agree to be punished if they cheat. Normal blindfolds are used during the round. Afterwards, any competitor who is found to have cheated will be taken to the Rubik's Cube factory to be made into new DIYs.

8) I call this one the "youtube approach". Competitors can solve with whatever blindfold or method of concealing the cube that they want. However, if anyone in the audience thinks they see a way that that competitor could have cheated, and yells "fake", the solve is considered to be fake and is counted as a DNF.

9) Only blind competitors may compete in a blindfold event. Before the round both a blindman's cube (with raised shapes to signify color) and a normal cube are scrambled in the same way. Once a competitor has memorized the cube, they switch with the normal cube, and solve it. Cheating will only be possible if competitors pretend to be blind.

10) Each competitor does their blindfold solve in a small room with a video-camera (with infrared vision) and a separately operable light. When they are finished memorizing the cube, a judge turns the light in their room off, and they must complete the solve in the dark. The light turns on again when they stop the timer. Cheating may be possible if competitors have some other way of creating light in the room, but ideally they should be carefully searched beforehand.



I'm just kidding of course, wanted to have a bit of fun with it :P I think that we should not worry so much about cheating, as I think Stefan has showed that anyone who is found to have cheated during a competition will lose all respect in the community and probably end up banned from future competitions. Anyone who is actually interested in cubing would make sure to avoid cheating since they don't want to lose all respect.
 
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Here are some great blindfold ideas I've seen in the Beijing and Guangdong competitions:

1. Jiang Ganyuan wore a garbage bag on his head.
2. Some other guy wore swimming goggles with black duct-tape.

I'm pretty sure they weren't cheating, though.
 
Actually using grey cubes is not such a bad idea.
The judge gives the normal cube to the competitor for the memorization, and when the competitor is ready, the jusge gives him the grey cube for the solve(while hiding the other one). It could be like Ryan's online cube for BLD.
Now how do we verify the solve? Maybe we could prepare cubes with grey stickers and different symbols written on them with those special UV-pens, scramble them the same way, and after the solve the judge could check the cube with a mini UV-lamp.
Of course this has the disadvantage that the scarmblers would have to scramble twice as much cubes, but I can't think of any way how someone could cheat.
 
sorry but all these ideas are very unconventional and take a lot of effort just to make sure no one is cheating. i believe my idea is the best and no one is even considering taking a look at it which is fine. but i read everyone elses ideas on here and some are good but of course everyone else on here has pointed out their flaws lol. although i think my idea of the Blindfold with a noseplug on the bottom is the BEST solution, and you simply CANT see under it so no cheating. so its perfect. :)
 
Well, you could have a grey cube with some sort of invisible flourescent identifications that could only be seen under a black light (letters, maybe). And then you could sell stickers like that so that any blindfold competitor would be required to bring 2 cubes - one normal cube and one with the special blindfold stickers.

Then the solved cube could be verified under a black light when finished.

Or maybe there are other similar technologies that would work just as well.

This is a little costlier, but not all that much - if there were a common inexpensive source for the stickers, you'd think it could work. And if such stickers were provided at competitions for competitors that don't have them, anyone who doesn't have them (but has at least 2 cubes) could quickly resticker their cube before the competition.

One thing that worries me with this idea is that you would have occasional instances where the scrambler doesn't get both the scrambles the same. Verifying a scramble on the grey cube could be rather difficult. So there would likely be a fair number of DNFs due to bad scrambles.

Derrick, I'm sorry I never responded to your idea, but I must admit that I think I would find the nose plugs very uncomfortable and distracting, so I'd rather have a less uncomfortable solution. However, that being said, if such a blindfold were ever required, I certainly would be willing to use one.
 
yes thanks Mike for the response. yes the only drawback i see is a small lack of confort for some people, but it doenst have to be, if the tightness of the noseplug, or it making breathing out of your nose to be hard, you dont really have to use a hardcore TIGHT noseplug or anything :P and you can just wear it at the top of ur nose or whereever so you can still breath fine. But yes many people might find this a little uncomfortable and i understand. but hey, it prevents cheating :)
 
Well, you could have a grey cube with some sort of invisible flourescent identifications that could only be seen under a black light (letters, maybe). And then you could sell stickers like that so that any blindfold competitor would be required to bring 2 cubes - one normal cube and one with the special blindfold stickers.

The Rubik's Icon could work just as well, if the lighting in the room were not amazing.
 
I think Derricks idea has the most potential. And it is by far the most simple and realistic one.
If you think as far as fabricating blindfolds, you could have a normal blindfold with a flexibel metal rod that you gently press to fit around your nose. It could be performed while pulling the blindfold from your forehead to your eyes, which gives less delay between memo and execution. And it won't bother the audiens, which seems to be a big issue in this thread.
 
yes Lars i was also thinking about the delay between memo and execution and yes what you mentioned was what i was thinking too. A noseplug, or something such as a flexible metal rod could be just put on the nose or fit right after which is pretty convenient. :)
 
yes thanks Mike for the response. yes the only drawback i see is a small lack of confort for some people, but it doenst have to be, if the tightness of the noseplug, or it making breathing out of your nose to be hard, you dont really have to use a hardcore TIGHT noseplug or anything :P and you can just wear it at the top of ur nose or whereever so you can still breath fine. But yes many people might find this a little uncomfortable and i understand. but hey, it prevents cheating :)

How does this 'noseplug' look like? I don't think i've ever seen a blindfold like that, but it sounds kind off weird to me...

For me, the things I consider are:

1) I don't think that a lot of people cheat in competitions. All the blindfold cubers I have met so far seem to be credible to me. I maybe 1 or 2 rumors of people cheating, but I really have no reason at all to believe that any of the sub2 guys ever cheated.

2) Whatever the solution might be, it's important that people who don't know bld cubing can see that the person is solving the cube blindfolded. If ignorant spectators see it, they should be able to recognise what is going on, instead of thinking: "wtf is that guy doing, with that towel wrapped around his head?!" or "wtf is that guy doing, with his head locked up in that cage and a grey cube in his hand?!". Blindfold cubing should be a show, not a freak-show. In other words: The cube should still look like a regular cube, and the blindfold should look like a regular blindfold. Any solution that does not meet these requirements is dumb and unnecessary.
 
yes thanks Mike for the response. yes the only drawback i see is a small lack of confort for some people, but it doenst have to be, if the tightness of the noseplug, or it making breathing out of your nose to be hard, you dont really have to use a hardcore TIGHT noseplug or anything :P and you can just wear it at the top of ur nose or whereever so you can still breath fine. But yes many people might find this a little uncomfortable and i understand. but hey, it prevents cheating :)

How does this 'noseplug' look like? I don't think i've ever seen a blindfold like that, but it sounds kind off weird to me...

For me, the things I consider are:

1) I don't think that a lot of people cheat in competitions. All the blindfold cubers I have met so far seem to be credible to me. I maybe 1 or 2 rumors of people cheating, but I really have no reason at all to believe that any of the sub2 guys ever cheated.

2) Whatever the solution might be, it's important that people who don't know bld cubing can see that the person is solving the cube blindfolded. If ignorant spectators see it, they should be able to recognise what is going on, instead of thinking: "wtf is that guy doing, with that towel wrapped around his head?!" or "wtf is that guy doing, with his head locked up in that cage and a grey cube in his hand?!". Blindfold cubing should be a show, not a freak-show. In other words: The cube should still look like a regular cube, and the blindfold should look like a regular blindfold. Any solution that does not meet these requirements is dumb and unnecessary.

LMAO hehhee yeah i hope it never comes to towels over heads and inside cages lol XD but what i mean by my idea is put the blindfold on and slip a noseplug on over it, or something like a rubber or metal bar over the bottom part of the Blindfold on your nose so it is IMPOSSIBLE to see under it. I think this idea doesnt make you look ridiculous at all. well.... okay maybe a LITTLE but i think it is the best so far.
 
Ok... I actually have a blindfold that utilizes this idea already. At the bottom of the blindfold, there is a heavily padded flap, preventing all light from getting in. It does an extremely good job of blocking light, as I am trying to tell the difference while staring into a desklamp. I got it from Rite-Aid (a drugstore for people not in the US). It wasn't expensive, and solves every issue that we have.
 
Ok... I actually have a blindfold that utilizes this idea already. At the bottom of the blindfold, there is a heavily padded flap, preventing all light from getting in. It does an extremely good job of blocking light, as I am trying to tell the difference while staring into a desklamp. I got it from Rite-Aid (a drugstore for people not in the US). It wasn't expensive, and solves every issue that we have.

That sounds nice. Can you find it on the internet somewhere? If we had a common source to get them (like we have with stackmats, which are currently required for competitions), maybe it wouldn't be unreasonable to require them.
 
I've tried swimming goggles again. If worn correctly, they're pretty safe. With "correctly" I mean so that the bottom part should firmly press against the skin. The top part isn't important unless the cuber holds the cube above his head.

View from somewhat below:
http://www.stefan-pochmann.info/spocc/blindsolving/blindfolds/images/goggles.jpg

Slightly deforming my face, I was still able to, at least temporarily, create an extremely tiny gap that allowed me to see the cube when I held it on my side. Not sure how easily this could be detected by the judge/audience:
http://www.stefan-pochmann.info/spocc/blindsolving/blindfolds/images/goggles_cheat.jpg

However, if I wear the goggles badly, I can create a larger gap easily. Then, deforming my nose and skin around it just slightly, I can open and close the gap. A great blindfold would be goggles that are only transparent at the front and have an external shutter mechanism (similar to this). Then the competitor could put the blindfold on and the judge could check that it's worn correctly, all before the cube is uncovered. And after the memorization the competitor would simply flip down the shutter.
 

LOL!
I would never be able to detect that :D

the other ones seem cool...

but..two things

are they easy to find/buy?
are they comfortable to wear for, say, 10 minutes?

I don't really really like goggles because they always seem to press strongly against my nose/eyes/part between them...I don't like the idea of wearing them for 10 minutes or more
 
These ones are pretty comfortable, yes, also for a longer time.

However, you just reminded me of something. These fit *me* well. Not sure how well they'd fit others. We have adults with large faces and kids with small faces. There might not be one-size-fits-all goggles. There are adjustable ones, but I really don't know. Oh and with "fit" I mean both comfort and safety against peeking.

Swimming goggles are easy to buy. Price ranges from three bucks to ridiculous. Unfortunately for us, it's not very easy to find ones that aren't at least semi-transparent all around. Swimmers apparently want to see as much as possible around them. Not good for us. But there are exceptions, they're just harder to find.

Welding goggles I don't know. And they usually aren't as watertight, they're worn rather loosely.

A combination would be what I imagine. Close to the skin like swimming goggles, but with the external shutter. I doubt this can easily be bought, so we might have to build them ourselves. Sigh.
 
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