KConny
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Do you? When I read his posts it sounds like he thinks you can reach this state just by doing a mistake during the pairing.
5 X 5 rare error
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Do you? When I read his posts it sounds like he thinks you can reach this state just by doing a mistake during the pairing.
FelixFroberg
Member
Void-cube :O?
Or, you're just making a joke whit us
Or, you're just making a joke whit us
AvGalen
Premium Member
I want to see a picture, or better yet a video that shows all 6 sides.
If you really have this situation you should take your cube apart and put it back together solved. This situation will never happen again because (as many people have already said) it CANNOT happen without taking the cube apart
If you really have this situation you should take your cube apart and put it back together solved. This situation will never happen again because (as many people have already said) it CANNOT happen without taking the cube apart
MichaelP.
Veteran
That's not possible, because he scrambled it and solved it, so their were no misplaced pieces, I think he accidently swapped 2 other edges when solving like a 3x3. For example R2 U2 R2 U2 R2 U2.
MichaelP.
Veteran
He says he scrambled it up and solved it, WITHOUT popping out any pieces.
Muesli
Premium Member
No matter what he says about scrambling and solving without any pops, this is still impossible to occur without removing any pieces and replacing them.
MichaelP.
Veteran
No, read my previous post, he probably messed up solving the 3x3 and had two other edges swapped. Like this: R2 U2 R2 U2 R2 U2
Muesli
Premium Member
But you can see all of the other availiable edges that could be switched. R2 U2 R2 U2 R2 U2 switches the FU, FB edges AND the FR, BR edges. You can see all of those edges in the diagram, and the FR and BR are solved.
MichaelP.
Veteran
I know, I'm saying that he didn't notice them. maybe on the BL and BR.
Gurplex2
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Are you joking?
Just take it apart and put it back together completely solved and it will never happen again!
Just take it apart and put it back together completely solved and it will never happen again!
remos905
Member
the solver.
click here and watch this at youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgmJg5PSifw or search ` Parity Errors 5X5X5 `.
i HOPE THIS CAN HELP YOU.
click here and watch this at youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgmJg5PSifw or search ` Parity Errors 5X5X5 `.
i HOPE THIS CAN HELP YOU.
MichaelP.
Veteran
click here and watch this at youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgmJg5PSifw or search ` Parity Errors 5X5X5 `.
i HOPE THIS CAN HELP YOU.
Did you even read what his problem was?
Toire-Dakku
Regular
click here and watch this at youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgmJg5PSifw or search ` Parity Errors 5X5X5 `.
i HOPE THIS CAN HELP YOU.
Did you even read what his problem was?
It's definitely a joke.
dinosaurking
Member
what the ___ just happened here?
For TonyBHChew's sake, all this should be summarized...
1) ASSUMING there were no mistakes in arranging all the other pieces, this error is mathematically impossible, so you can't find an algo that solves this on the internet. Yup, so cmhardw is right.
2) Yet it happened. So there are probably 3 scenarios that happened. A) The rest of the cube wasn't completely solved correctly. B) Something popped and got put back in the wrong order. C) Stickers came out and got replaced in the wrong order.
3) Since TonyBHChew has repeatedly stated that nothing popped, please stop harping on that fact that he popped it. In any case, if he DID pop it, he would have been able to create that error EVERY SINGLE time he solves it. Try it on a 3*3*3 and you'll know what I mean.
4) Scenario C... Not very possible, unless some freak accident occurred.
4.5) And yes, it's not a parity problem, so no algos work.
5) Which leaves... The rest of the cube wasn't completely solved correctly. This usually occurs when certain colours are mistaken for other colours eg. red for orange, they look alike enough in bad lighting, or white and pale yellow, etc. And I don't mean that TonyBHChew did it ON PURPOSE, he may have done it BY ACCIDENT, which is why sometimes it occurs and sometimes it doesn't.
6) SO, if such an error is to be recreated, it could be done possibly by doing the premutation parity algo on another set of edges. @TonyBHChew: If your red and orange stickers look alike enough, try pairing edges such that your red/yellow wing edges are paired onto the orange/yellow central edge piece and vice-versa (or any other pair of edges whose colours look alike). Then for the 3*3*3 solve, treat the orange/yellow + red/yellow + orange/yellow triple-edge AS AN ORANGE/YELLOW EDGE INSTEAD OF RED/YELLOW EDGE.
7) For those not convinced, try it on your own cube. I tried it, and presto, i recreated that scenario =) It may not be the only way, but at least it works. And I'm too lazy to post a photo here, so don't ask me to prove it.
8) I remember someone wasn't too happy about me ignoring the previous person's post when I posted mine. Reason: I believed he was wrong (don't take it personally please, thanks, we're all trying to help TonyBHChew). Mathematically. Such a scenario is not parity, and I want to emphasize it again, IT IS NOT A PARITY PROBLEM, SOMETHING WRONG OCCURRED ELSEWHERE.
That's all! =)
For TonyBHChew's sake, all this should be summarized...
1) ASSUMING there were no mistakes in arranging all the other pieces, this error is mathematically impossible, so you can't find an algo that solves this on the internet. Yup, so cmhardw is right.
2) Yet it happened. So there are probably 3 scenarios that happened. A) The rest of the cube wasn't completely solved correctly. B) Something popped and got put back in the wrong order. C) Stickers came out and got replaced in the wrong order.
3) Since TonyBHChew has repeatedly stated that nothing popped, please stop harping on that fact that he popped it. In any case, if he DID pop it, he would have been able to create that error EVERY SINGLE time he solves it. Try it on a 3*3*3 and you'll know what I mean.
4) Scenario C... Not very possible, unless some freak accident occurred.
4.5) And yes, it's not a parity problem, so no algos work.
5) Which leaves... The rest of the cube wasn't completely solved correctly. This usually occurs when certain colours are mistaken for other colours eg. red for orange, they look alike enough in bad lighting, or white and pale yellow, etc. And I don't mean that TonyBHChew did it ON PURPOSE, he may have done it BY ACCIDENT, which is why sometimes it occurs and sometimes it doesn't.
6) SO, if such an error is to be recreated, it could be done possibly by doing the premutation parity algo on another set of edges. @TonyBHChew: If your red and orange stickers look alike enough, try pairing edges such that your red/yellow wing edges are paired onto the orange/yellow central edge piece and vice-versa (or any other pair of edges whose colours look alike). Then for the 3*3*3 solve, treat the orange/yellow + red/yellow + orange/yellow triple-edge AS AN ORANGE/YELLOW EDGE INSTEAD OF RED/YELLOW EDGE.
7) For those not convinced, try it on your own cube. I tried it, and presto, i recreated that scenario =) It may not be the only way, but at least it works. And I'm too lazy to post a photo here, so don't ask me to prove it.
8) I remember someone wasn't too happy about me ignoring the previous person's post when I posted mine. Reason: I believed he was wrong (don't take it personally please, thanks, we're all trying to help TonyBHChew). Mathematically. Such a scenario is not parity, and I want to emphasize it again, IT IS NOT A PARITY PROBLEM, SOMETHING WRONG OCCURRED ELSEWHERE.
That's all! =)
MichaelP.
Veteran
Finally! Thank's for typing it all out. This thread can now be locked.
dinosaurking
Member
TonyBHChew said this (I can't quote properly somehow, damn):
"Finally, I purposely swap the center 2 side cube leaving the center cube to make it look like a unsolved pair, then solved pairing with the very basic method, one side at a time, then start the 3X3 method again.... The error finally gone. That's the reasons why I believe that this is something that can be create during pairing."
And before I forget, my prescribed scenario fits what TonyBHChew mentioned. Somehow, the colours are so alike that he keeps getting them confused.
Or... The stickers are pasted wrongly.
"Finally, I purposely swap the center 2 side cube leaving the center cube to make it look like a unsolved pair, then solved pairing with the very basic method, one side at a time, then start the 3X3 method again.... The error finally gone. That's the reasons why I believe that this is something that can be create during pairing."
And before I forget, my prescribed scenario fits what TonyBHChew mentioned. Somehow, the colours are so alike that he keeps getting them confused.
Or... The stickers are pasted wrongly.
cmhardw
Premium Member
dinosaurking that was beautifully stated! Since you had already stated pretty much exactly that once before, I reaffirm my post earlier in the thread where I said that I agree with what dinosaurking said. His second post, which incidentally says the same as his first only more spelled out, I think explains what happened perfectly.
Chris
Chris
dinosaurking
Member
Whoa, thanks! Haha =)
MichaelP.
Veteran
Has this become a who can get the last post thread? And for the record, I too stated that the error was in the 3x3 solve.
