A couple questions on Full OLL

[Cyrus C.]

I have a couple questions for you guys on Full OLL.

1. What did you average when you started learning Full OLL?
2. What time do you recommend to average when you learn Full OLL?
3. Do you think I should learn it with a ton of triggers off of badmephisto's site, or go through the wiki and find the best suiting algorithms for each case?
4. Should I go through it algorithm by algorithm? Or put them into groups (like in the wiki)?

Thanks in advanced for the answers.

 

[Edward]

3. I think a combo of triggers and groups would be best. Its really helping me learn pll right now.

4. An alg a day keeps the forgetfulness away.

 

[Cyrus C.]

3. I think a combo of triggers and groups would be best. Its really helping me learn pll right now.

4. An alg a day keeps the forgetfulness away.

That didn't makes sense in no. 3.

in 4 I still would be learning algorithms, I would get a group of algorithms like no edges up, & learn them all in a course of 5 days, then move on to P shapes, 2 edges up, etc.

 

[josmil1]

1. Not planning on learning full oll.
2. Learn it when you reach 25-30 second average.
3. Learn it from whoever u want. Find the best case that suits your style.
4. Learn it however YOU want. People learn it better in bunches, some day by day. It's all up to YOU.

 

[Edward]

1. Not planning on learning full oll.
2. Learn it when you Feel your ready.
3. Learn it from whoever u want. Find the best case that suits your style.
4. Learn it however YOU want. People learn it better in bunches, some day by day. It's all up to YOU.

Fixed. Is that okay with you?

 

[PCwizCube]

1. What did you average when you started learning Full OLL?

Technically I've started learning full OLL (I know like 21) but I'm not really trying to learn anymore anytime soon. I average ~16 seconds.

2. What time do you recommend to average when you learn Full OLL?

I'd say there's no set average, do whatever you prefer. I've heard some people who know full OLL when they average ~35 seconds, because they love learning algorithms. But I've still put off learning because I like improving my look ahead in F2L (and I still am), and I'm too lazy and don't have enough time to learn new algorithms and practice them.

Should I go through it algorithm by algorithm? Or put them into groups (like in the wiki)?

I usually learn certain OLLs because I see a certain case a lot in my solves and it's easy to identify from and are distinct from other cases. Then I just learn that case. I've also learned some OLLs from theWestonian's Free OLL Algorithms video, because they're so easy to learn.

 

[Daniel Wu]

1. Around 24 ish.

2. 25 ish. Whenever you finish PLL and are sub 30 pretty much.

3. Use the wiki. It works.

4. Learn them in groups. For most algs, there is a mirror which can be learned at the same time.

 

[Weston]

I started leaning full OLL when I was just beginning to be sub 20, and I took a very long break after learning about 50 cases, then I finished it up when I averaged around 15 seconds.

find the best algs, and learn them in groups. (mirrors/inverses/similar shapes)

 

[Cyrus C.]

Okay, I've started learning, I already know 19/54 cases, just because I know some from intuitiveness, & 2-Look. I'm learning in groups from the wiki.

 

[Daniel Wu]

19/54 Aren't there 57 oll cases?

 

[V-te]

I don't understand why everyone says to learn something when you average a specific time. Could someone please tell me?

 

[Weston]

19/54 Aren't there 57 oll cases?

yes lol

 

[Jake Gouldon]

57.

I started learning it when I averaged 18-19ish, and I am almost done (4 left). I really need to practice them more often for speed, but I learned about 1 or 2 a day for a week, then took a break for a week to practice with those cases. I used the wiki.

 

[deadalnix]

I don't understand why everyone says to learn something when you average a specific time. Could someone please tell me?

Theyre no reason.

But if you are 1m avg, your problem isn't knowledge of OLL so learning them is a lot of pain for not a lot of results.

Anyway, learn OLL when you are very confident with 2 look OLL and all PLL. And obviously you fell ready.

 

[JTW2007]

I have a couple questions for you guys on Full OLL.

1. What did you average when you started learning Full OLL?
2. What time do you recommend to average when you learn Full OLL?
3. Do you think I should learn it with a ton of triggers off of badmephisto's site, or go through the wiki and find the best suiting algorithms for each case?
4. Should I go through it algorithm by algorithm? Or put them into groups (like in the wiki)?

Thanks in advanced for the answers.

1. I still haven't started.
2. I don't know. I can average sub-15 with 2-look.
3. The nice thing about triggers is that you can learn less and get more algs. The downside of triggers is that the cases that use the same trigger aren't always similar, so it can lead to recognition issues.
4. I'd go for groups. You need something to associate cases with one another.

To sum it up, you don't need full OLL to be at least marginally fast. I would be willing to bet that if I can get sub-15 with 2-look without putting much effort into it, that someone who really tried could get sub-13 with it.

 

[mcciff2112]

I've been learning the OLLs for more than six months now (probably averaged low 20s at the time), and I'm fine with where I am. I like to take my time, and make sure I really know the algorithm I'm learning before I move to a new one. I can execute all the OLLs I know without any hesitations, which is how I'd rather it, instead of knowing all of them, but being very slow and having to stop and think about each one as I go.

 

[Cyrus C.]

19/54 Aren't there 57 oll cases?

Darn, I think there are, I'm just an idiot.

 

[*LukeMayn*]

1. Not planning on learning full oll.
2. Learn it when you... NOW! don't waste time
3. Learn it from whoever u want. Find the best case that suits your style.
4. Learn it however YOU want. People learn it better in bunches, some day by day. It's all up to YOU.

Fixed. Is that okay with you?

FIXED

 

[rubiknewbie]

I have a couple questions for you guys on Full OLL.

1. What did you average when you started learning Full OLL?
2. What time do you recommend to average when you learn Full OLL?
3. Do you think I should learn it with a ton of triggers off of badmephisto's site, or go through the wiki and find the best suiting algorithms for each case?
4. Should I go through it algorithm by algorithm? Or put them into groups (like in the wiki)?

Thanks in advanced for the answers.

I think you can learn it anytime though only when you have developed the basic fingertricks. If you learn OLL and PLL without knowing fingertricks you are probably learning it wrong and may have to relearn a lot of stuff again.

You don't have to learn them together or from one place. These things are flexible and you need to customise the learning to your needs. You can learn algorithms that you like best or find most beneficial.

I learn my algorithms from a variety of sources and update them over time when I find better ones. I also spread them out over a long period of time. In fact, I only completed learning my last few OLLs within the last month just for completion sake. I still have OLLs (eg OLL29,30,41,42 the killers) which I sometimes spend up to 3 seconds recognising and deciding how to orientate while speedsolving! Everytime you learn new algorithms your time actually slows down initially as you adapt to it but in the long run you should benefit as you get more familiar.

Also you should try out some experiments on your own to see how algorithms lead from one pattern to another, it helps you understand and remember things better. Don't have to always rely on website algorithms.

Most importantly you should not only know the algorithms but get fast with them. For that I can tell you although I know the full OLL and PLL algorithms I am really a newbie at OLL and PLL because I am still learning how to get fast with them. I am really slow :fp.